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Actually most of the features that Java released over the last few years where first implemented in C# (e.g.: Lambdas).

johnwilkinson 8y ago
Well that's true. But, I am talking about interesting projects like Apache Kafka, Spark or many other Big Data tools. Also many languages born in JVM like Clojure, Kotlin or Scala. None of them came from oracle but in .NET all the successful languages came from Microsoft. Mostly happens because many people don't like Microsoft. That's why you don't see lots of startups using .NET
- wvenable 8y ago
  All the successful .NET languages come from Microsoft because they have some of the best language designers and create some of the best languages. There is no need for something like Kotlin on .NET because C# is already far ahead of Java and F# is a great language.
  - jsmith45 8y ago
    I see two main reasons for all the JVM languages. 1. People trying to make programming in the java ecosystem less painful. (Java-the-language was stagnant for so long that this was the main way improvements could be made). 2. People who wanted to design a language, but not need to create a complete runtime, need to make the runtime cross platform, and need to encourage a large library ecosystem. (They could just leverage the existing java libraries. The first reason was never super applicable to .Net. The second would have been applicable in the past except for "cross-platform". So .net never saw the huge nnumber of languages. With .NET Core I suspect we will see more reason #2 languages.
  - int_19h 8y ago
    For what it's worth, something like Kotlin on .NET is called Nemerle, and it has been around since 2003.
  - sureaboutthis 8y ago
    > All the successful .NET languages come from Microsoft Imagine that.
pjmlp 8y ago
While others where first implemented in Java, e.g. Default Interface Methods. tiered compilation, JIT cache,... I use both platforms and enjoy that they copy from each other.

Well that's true. But, I am talking about interesting projects like Apache Kafka, Spark or many other Big Data tools. Also many languages born in JVM like Clojure, Kotlin or Scala. None of them came from oracle but in .NET all the successful languages came from Microsoft. Mostly happens because many people don't like Microsoft. That's why you don't see lots of startups using .NET

wvenable 8y ago
All the successful .NET languages come from Microsoft because they have some of the best language designers and create some of the best languages. There is no need for something like Kotlin on .NET because C# is already far ahead of Java and F# is a great language.
- jsmith45 8y ago
  I see two main reasons for all the JVM languages. 1. People trying to make programming in the java ecosystem less painful. (Java-the-language was stagnant for so long that this was the main way improvements could be made). 2. People who wanted to design a language, but not need to create a complete runtime, need to make the runtime cross platform, and need to encourage a large library ecosystem. (They could just leverage the existing java libraries. The first reason was never super applicable to .Net. The second would have been applicable in the past except for "cross-platform". So .net never saw the huge nnumber of languages. With .NET Core I suspect we will see more reason #2 languages.
- int_19h 8y ago
  For what it's worth, something like Kotlin on .NET is called Nemerle, and it has been around since 2003.
- sureaboutthis 8y ago
  > All the successful .NET languages come from Microsoft Imagine that.

pjmlp 8y ago

While others where first implemented in Java, e.g. Default Interface Methods. tiered compilation, JIT cache,... I use both platforms and enjoy that they copy from each other.