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I recommend looking west -- there are $2k 1BRs in Jersey City and Hoboken with 35-minute door-to-door commutes to most tech companies in Manhattan. Many even wi

I recommend looking west -- there are $2k 1BRs in Jersey City and Hoboken with 35-minute door-to-door commutes to most tech companies in Manhattan. Many even with central air, dishwasher, and in-unit laundry! PATH's reliability numbers are better than any subway line, and in case of issues there's bus, ferry, NJT rail as alternatives. And best of all, no NYC city income tax.

helsinki 8y ago
Shhh - I live and work near Grove St in Jersey City. Life is sublime here.
- rashomon 8y ago
  Can concur on the shushness and sublimation. However, PATH is meandering near the border of MTA's hellish confines and looks drunk enough to stumble in. Couple that with the incessant development (there are 4 towers in constructions near Paulus hook) and already stressed PATH infra and you can guess what can happen next. On the whole, JC is better than BK for a myriad of reasons.
  - volkl48 8y ago
    PATH's infrastructure is mechanically sound and improving. I would not be concerned about it following in the MTA's tracks in the signal delay/equipment failure sense. Overcrowding is certainly an issue and while I know there are some capacity improvements in progress (CBTC signaling, more cars), I have never seen a clear timeline from the PA as to when more capacity will actually happen.
jtreminio 8y ago
> there are $2k 1BRs [..]. Many even with central air, dishwasher, and in-unit laundry! I'm trying to decide if this is a tongue-in-cheek post or not.
- schrodinger 8y ago
  Why would it be?
  - pathseeker 8y ago
    Because that's a terrible price for what you get anywhere in the US except for a few metro areas. "There are $100k used cars, many with functioning windows, heaters, and airbags!"
    - dragonwriter 8y ago
      > Because that's a terrible price for what you get anywhere in the US except for a few metro areas. Yeah, but those metro areas are where the good income opportunities are disproportionately located.
    - evanelias 8y ago
      This entire thread is specifically about the NYC metro area. My reply was about Jersey City and Hoboken, which are directly across the river from Manhattan. The apartments I'm describing are literally only 1 to 3 miles from Manhattan, hence the short commutes I also mentioned. I really don't see why my reply would be interpreted as tongue-in-cheek.
    - mikeash 8y ago
      Cars can be moved around (that’s pretty much the whole point of them) so their prices tend to be pretty similar in different areas. Housing can’t move so the price can vary enormously from place to place. This shouldn’t be a surprise at all.
  - j-c-hewitt 8y ago
    People with teenager-level jobs outside of NYC can afford the kinds of basic appliances that you need a fancy job to get in NYC. New Yorkers are just really numb to it.
- evanelias 8y ago
  The original article complained about not having these amenities in NYC. Much of the housing stock in the 5 boroughs is too old.
busterarm 8y ago
I would actually recommend to most folks the slightly less commuter friendly areas west -- namely the Fort Lee, Palisades Park area and down to Edgewater. Especially if you can bike or motorbike or pay for the ferry. That's exactly where I would move to if I had to leave my place in midtown.
sys_64738 8y ago
But it's still New Jersey.
- evanelias 8y ago
  People used to say the exact same thing about Brooklyn and Queens. Not that long ago, even.
somberi 8y ago
I would like to suggest that there are other parts of NYC to live, in addition to what evanelias mentions above. Many who complain about high rents, and feeling poor, for reasons I do not entirely understand, have a stigma of living in the other boroughs other than Manhattan. In Queens, in a well connected (express subway line) area, one can get the same 400 sqft "dump" the author cites, for less than 1000$. And commute-wise, about 30 minutes to midtown. Having lived both in Queens and Manhattan over many years, I find this "Manhattan or broke" attitude with largely people who move from outside NYC. I moved to Manhattan from Queens, when I was able to afford it and not when it became affordable.

helsinki 8y ago

Shhh - I live and work near Grove St in Jersey City. Life is sublime here.

rashomon 8y ago
Can concur on the shushness and sublimation. However, PATH is meandering near the border of MTA's hellish confines and looks drunk enough to stumble in. Couple that with the incessant development (there are 4 towers in constructions near Paulus hook) and already stressed PATH infra and you can guess what can happen next. On the whole, JC is better than BK for a myriad of reasons.
- volkl48 8y ago
  PATH's infrastructure is mechanically sound and improving. I would not be concerned about it following in the MTA's tracks in the signal delay/equipment failure sense. Overcrowding is certainly an issue and while I know there are some capacity improvements in progress (CBTC signaling, more cars), I have never seen a clear timeline from the PA as to when more capacity will actually happen.

jtreminio 8y ago

> there are $2k 1BRs [..]. Many even with central air, dishwasher, and in-unit laundry! I'm trying to decide if this is a tongue-in-cheek post or not.

schrodinger 8y ago
Why would it be?
- pathseeker 8y ago
  Because that's a terrible price for what you get anywhere in the US except for a few metro areas. "There are $100k used cars, many with functioning windows, heaters, and airbags!"
  - dragonwriter 8y ago
    > Because that's a terrible price for what you get anywhere in the US except for a few metro areas. Yeah, but those metro areas are where the good income opportunities are disproportionately located.
  - evanelias 8y ago
    This entire thread is specifically about the NYC metro area. My reply was about Jersey City and Hoboken, which are directly across the river from Manhattan. The apartments I'm describing are literally only 1 to 3 miles from Manhattan, hence the short commutes I also mentioned. I really don't see why my reply would be interpreted as tongue-in-cheek.
  - mikeash 8y ago
    Cars can be moved around (that’s pretty much the whole point of them) so their prices tend to be pretty similar in different areas. Housing can’t move so the price can vary enormously from place to place. This shouldn’t be a surprise at all.
- j-c-hewitt 8y ago
  People with teenager-level jobs outside of NYC can afford the kinds of basic appliances that you need a fancy job to get in NYC. New Yorkers are just really numb to it.
evanelias 8y ago
The original article complained about not having these amenities in NYC. Much of the housing stock in the 5 boroughs is too old.

busterarm 8y ago

I would actually recommend to most folks the slightly less commuter friendly areas west -- namely the Fort Lee, Palisades Park area and down to Edgewater. Especially if you can bike or motorbike or pay for the ferry. That's exactly where I would move to if I had to leave my place in midtown.

sys_64738 8y ago

But it's still New Jersey.

evanelias 8y ago
People used to say the exact same thing about Brooklyn and Queens. Not that long ago, even.

somberi 8y ago

I would like to suggest that there are other parts of NYC to live, in addition to what evanelias mentions above. Many who complain about high rents, and feeling poor, for reasons I do not entirely understand, have a stigma of living in the other boroughs other than Manhattan. In Queens, in a well connected (express subway line) area, one can get the same 400 sqft "dump" the author cites, for less than 1000$. And commute-wise, about 30 minutes to midtown. Having lived both in Queens and Manhattan over many years, I find this "Manhattan or broke" attitude with largely people who move from outside NYC. I moved to Manhattan from Queens, when I was able to afford it and not when it became affordable.