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What's your point? One thing is a list of wrongful convictions - failures of the justice system - but what happened here isn't a failure, it's the system workin

What's your point? One thing is a list of wrongful convictions - failures of the justice system - but what happened here isn't a failure, it's the system working as designed.

miracle2k 8y ago
That is true, it's an important distinction to make. Now, in terms of the design of the criminal justice system, the US does not fare so well either, but we don't really have to debate that here. Still, your comment was unnecessarily ignorant and insulting; presumably there are people for who the UAE is more than the misdeeds of the ruling family; the fact that it isn't to us, is really our failing. Your post just wasn't very helpful.
rhacker 8y ago
What do you mean by working as designed. The founders of the US said, why don't we make sure there are some major bullet holes in this design so we make sure some innocent people go to jail? If it was part of the design, then it was the design, if it was not, it is a defect. Think of software engineering in this case. And his point is that someone reduced the UAE and all its history and people to "what a fucked up country" then it's absolutely relevant. What about the destruction of the indians and native land, the going to war for OIL for the past 20 years and killing basically indiscriminately. Do I need to remind us of slavery? I'm a US citizen, but be prepared to take salt in the face if someone reduces your country to a sentence like that.
- girvo 8y ago
  They mean the UAE’s system is working as designed, not the USAs
ballenf 8y ago
The ReplyAll podcast did a special on police policies and how they are designed to improve cities' images through a system that is absurdly unjust: https://www.gimletmedia.com/reply-all/127-the-crime-machine-part-i https://www.gimletmedia.com/reply-all/127-the-crime-machine-... My issue with the parent argument is simply that the UAE is so bad it makes even a screwed up system like that in many US cities look good.

What's your point? One thing is a list of wrongful convictions - failures of the justice system - but what happened here isn't a failure, it's the system working as designed.

miracle2k 8y ago

That is true, it's an important distinction to make. Now, in terms of the design of the criminal justice system, the US does not fare so well either, but we don't really have to debate that here. Still, your comment was unnecessarily ignorant and insulting; presumably there are people for who the UAE is more than the misdeeds of the ruling family; the fact that it isn't to us, is really our failing. Your post just wasn't very helpful.

rhacker 8y ago

What do you mean by working as designed. The founders of the US said, why don't we make sure there are some major bullet holes in this design so we make sure some innocent people go to jail? If it was part of the design, then it was the design, if it was not, it is a defect. Think of software engineering in this case. And his point is that someone reduced the UAE and all its history and people to "what a fucked up country" then it's absolutely relevant. What about the destruction of the indians and native land, the going to war for OIL for the past 20 years and killing basically indiscriminately. Do I need to remind us of slavery? I'm a US citizen, but be prepared to take salt in the face if someone reduces your country to a sentence like that.

girvo 8y ago
They mean the UAE’s system is working as designed, not the USAs

ballenf 8y ago

The ReplyAll podcast did a special on police policies and how they are designed to improve cities' images through a system that is absurdly unjust: https://www.gimletmedia.com/reply-all/127-the-crime-machine-part-i https://www.gimletmedia.com/reply-all/127-the-crime-machine-... My issue with the parent argument is simply that the UAE is so bad it makes even a screwed up system like that in many US cities look good.