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What a fucked up country.

F_r_k 8y ago
List of wrongful convictions in the USA: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wrongful_convictions_in_the_United_States https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wrongful_convictions... It's not even a full list
- Rjevski 8y ago
  What's your point? One thing is a list of wrongful convictions - failures of the justice system - but what happened here isn't a failure, it's the system working as designed.
  - miracle2k 8y ago
    That is true, it's an important distinction to make. Now, in terms of the design of the criminal justice system, the US does not fare so well either, but we don't really have to debate that here. Still, your comment was unnecessarily ignorant and insulting; presumably there are people for who the UAE is more than the misdeeds of the ruling family; the fact that it isn't to us, is really our failing. Your post just wasn't very helpful.
  - rhacker 8y ago
    What do you mean by working as designed. The founders of the US said, why don't we make sure there are some major bullet holes in this design so we make sure some innocent people go to jail? If it was part of the design, then it was the design, if it was not, it is a defect. Think of software engineering in this case. And his point is that someone reduced the UAE and all its history and people to "what a fucked up country" then it's absolutely relevant. What about the destruction of the indians and native land, the going to war for OIL for the past 20 years and killing basically indiscriminately. Do I need to remind us of slavery? I'm a US citizen, but be prepared to take salt in the face if someone reduces your country to a sentence like that.
    - girvo 8y ago
      They mean the UAE’s system is working as designed, not the USAs
  - ballenf 8y ago
    The ReplyAll podcast did a special on police policies and how they are designed to improve cities' images through a system that is absurdly unjust: https://www.gimletmedia.com/reply-all/127-the-crime-machine-part-i https://www.gimletmedia.com/reply-all/127-the-crime-machine-... My issue with the parent argument is simply that the UAE is so bad it makes even a screwed up system like that in many US cities look good.
- rhacker 8y ago
  You didn't deserve to be downvoted. Someone said "What a fucked up country" because they have focused and narrowed down into one aspect of the country. Then you pointed out an issue with the USA and no one even comments/replies to you and described why this wouldn't be relevant. It's absolutely relevant. If someone posted this wikipedia article as a top-level HN post and someone said "What a fucked up country" (referring to the USA) it wouldn't still be in black, it would be downvoted to fucking hell. IF YOU DOWNVOTE YOU NEED TO STATE WHY OTHERWISE WE JUST END UP WITH ONE SIDED DISCUSSION!
  - YinglingLight 8y ago
    It was a random non sequitur "b-b-but look at how bad XYZ country is" that added nothing. Choose a different hill to die on.
  - toasterlovin 8y ago
    Because it's a bullshit equivalence. Whatever the issues are with the U.S., you have to be a lunatic to somehow see those issues as making the U.S. somehow morally equivalent to a country like the UAE. And I'm sure somebody will jump in here about how the U.S. has started all these wars and the UAE has not, but that's also a bullshit comparison because the UAE is not the world's superpower. The proper comparison, in that regard, is between the U.S. and previous world super powers, a comparison that comes out heavily in favor of the moral standing of the U.S.
  - AnimalMuppet 8y ago
    I downvoted it because it was off-topic. When we're talking about the US justice system - which we do fairly regularly - then it's a useful comment. Here it's just a red herring. And I downvoted you for not understanding that distractions hijack the conversation. A conversation about everything is too unfocused to be a useful conversation about anything. The topic here is Dubai; you're fine with it being hijacked into a conversation about the US justice system. I'm not OK with that. Let us talk about Dubai here; we'll talk about the US justice system plenty of other places.
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List of wrongful convictions in the USA: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wrongful_convictions_in_the_United_States https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wrongful_convictions... It's not even a full list

Rjevski 8y ago
What's your point? One thing is a list of wrongful convictions - failures of the justice system - but what happened here isn't a failure, it's the system working as designed.
- miracle2k 8y ago
  That is true, it's an important distinction to make. Now, in terms of the design of the criminal justice system, the US does not fare so well either, but we don't really have to debate that here. Still, your comment was unnecessarily ignorant and insulting; presumably there are people for who the UAE is more than the misdeeds of the ruling family; the fact that it isn't to us, is really our failing. Your post just wasn't very helpful.
- rhacker 8y ago
  What do you mean by working as designed. The founders of the US said, why don't we make sure there are some major bullet holes in this design so we make sure some innocent people go to jail? If it was part of the design, then it was the design, if it was not, it is a defect. Think of software engineering in this case. And his point is that someone reduced the UAE and all its history and people to "what a fucked up country" then it's absolutely relevant. What about the destruction of the indians and native land, the going to war for OIL for the past 20 years and killing basically indiscriminately. Do I need to remind us of slavery? I'm a US citizen, but be prepared to take salt in the face if someone reduces your country to a sentence like that.
  - girvo 8y ago
    They mean the UAE’s system is working as designed, not the USAs
- ballenf 8y ago
  The ReplyAll podcast did a special on police policies and how they are designed to improve cities' images through a system that is absurdly unjust: https://www.gimletmedia.com/reply-all/127-the-crime-machine-part-i https://www.gimletmedia.com/reply-all/127-the-crime-machine-... My issue with the parent argument is simply that the UAE is so bad it makes even a screwed up system like that in many US cities look good.
rhacker 8y ago
You didn't deserve to be downvoted. Someone said "What a fucked up country" because they have focused and narrowed down into one aspect of the country. Then you pointed out an issue with the USA and no one even comments/replies to you and described why this wouldn't be relevant. It's absolutely relevant. If someone posted this wikipedia article as a top-level HN post and someone said "What a fucked up country" (referring to the USA) it wouldn't still be in black, it would be downvoted to fucking hell. IF YOU DOWNVOTE YOU NEED TO STATE WHY OTHERWISE WE JUST END UP WITH ONE SIDED DISCUSSION!
- YinglingLight 8y ago
  It was a random non sequitur "b-b-but look at how bad XYZ country is" that added nothing. Choose a different hill to die on.
- toasterlovin 8y ago
  Because it's a bullshit equivalence. Whatever the issues are with the U.S., you have to be a lunatic to somehow see those issues as making the U.S. somehow morally equivalent to a country like the UAE. And I'm sure somebody will jump in here about how the U.S. has started all these wars and the UAE has not, but that's also a bullshit comparison because the UAE is not the world's superpower. The proper comparison, in that regard, is between the U.S. and previous world super powers, a comparison that comes out heavily in favor of the moral standing of the U.S.
- AnimalMuppet 8y ago
  I downvoted it because it was off-topic. When we're talking about the US justice system - which we do fairly regularly - then it's a useful comment. Here it's just a red herring. And I downvoted you for not understanding that distractions hijack the conversation. A conversation about everything is too unfocused to be a useful conversation about anything. The topic here is Dubai; you're fine with it being hijacked into a conversation about the US justice system. I'm not OK with that. Let us talk about Dubai here; we'll talk about the US justice system plenty of other places.
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