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> This will be especially true when Firefox inevitably shutters it's in-house efforts in a couple of years due to the amount of sites that won't work with it, a

> This will be especially true when Firefox inevitably shutters it's in-house efforts in a couple of years due to the amount of sites that won't work with it, and starts using Chromium too. It seems very unlikely: - Mozilla has been in a far worse uderdog position before during the IE6 era, with way more incompatible sites and less funding. - Mozilla is not for profit. Fighting for the open Web is one of their goal. It always has been. They are not perfect, but their track record is damn good compared to almost any player of their size and impact in the tech world. - Mozilla strongly invested in their own tech, including rewritting the browser rendering engine and taking huge risks such as create a bloody hole new language, rust, in the process. To my knowledge, the "oxydation" project has been a success so far, and rust is proving everyday that it's a positive force in the world as well. - Firefox is the only decent mobile browser. I can't navigate the web without the ublock extension. I just can't. - Mozilla keeps innovating. Their last brillant idea, the tab container, is worth switching on it's own. - Mozilla has the hardcore geeks on their side. Even during the V30 to v50 transition period where Firefox was, at the time, clearly an inferior product, we kept using it to support it for the sheer ideal of it. We hoped it would come back from it, and it happened: Firefox is now a fast, lean and fantastic browser again. - Privacy concerns are (FINALLY !) being taken in consideration from the crowd. And Chrome is terrible at this, so moving to a chromium core, while technically not related at all because you can set it up the way you like, would carry the stigma. All in all, I'm incredibly optimistic about Mozilla et Firefox's future despite the market share taking a serious hit.

gdfasfklshg4 8y ago
> Mozilla has the hardcore geeks on their side. Even during the V30 to v50 transition period where Firefox was, at the time, clearly an inferior product, we kept using it to support it for the sheer ideal of it. We hoped it would come back from it, and it happened: Firefox is now a fast, lean and fantastic browser again. I use Firefox. I always have. My experience is totally different to yours. Before FF57 it was a single process and it ran nicely on a 4GB machine with a 2009 Intel Atom processor. Afterwards it became much hungrier for memory and processor. I had to buy a new computer. (I tried Chrome of course but it is hungrier.)
- sametmax 8y ago
  I said "during the V30 to v50 transition period where Firefox was, at the time, clearly an inferior product", compared to the competition, not anterior version of itself. The later is a more complicated matter, as it was 10 years ago, with different expectations, hardware, user base and web.
  - gdfasfklshg4 8y ago
    And I pointed out that prior to v57 FF was a clearly superior product to the competition for me. For me FF v52 was also superior to v57. Sadly v52 is now out of support and the result is that I had to get a new computer. For me the order of utility is FF pre v57 > FF post v57 > Chromium based browsers.
- seba_dos1 8y ago
  The multiprocess architecture makes it run faster on newer machines, but slower on older ones. Have you tried disabling it (limiting to one process) though?
  - Endy 8y ago
    They've disabled that setting.
    - seba_dos1 8y ago
      Not sure if I can disable electrolysis altogether, but I sure still can limit it to one content process, even from the GUI.
  - deleted 8y ago
    [deleted]
AnaniasAnanas 8y ago
> - Privacy concerns are (FINALLY !) being taken in consideration from the crowd I don't know how true this is when considering all the calling-home (split over multiple settings in about:config making it difficult to disable) in modern firefox versions. > Mozilla has the hardcore geeks on their side. A lot of geeks are moving away from it to forks or to other browsers like qutebrowser, which actually makes senses considering that mozilla keeps trying to sabotage the poweruser demographic.
- sametmax 8y ago
  > I don't know how true this is when considering all the calling-home (split over multiple settings in about:config making it difficult to disable) in modern firefox versions. I agree but between a broken leg and cancer, you choose the broken leg. > A lot of geeks are moving away from it to forks or to other browsers like qutebrowser, which actually makes senses considering that mozilla keeps trying to sabotage the poweruser demographic. This has always been the case. We try alternatives, that's what we do. It's sane, and no matter Mozilla's behavior, we would do it.
listic 8y ago
Does mobile Firefox come with Ublock Origin built-in?
- AsyncAwait 8y ago
  Not built in, but you can install it as easily as on the desktop.
tssva 8y ago
>Firefox is now a fast, lean and fantastic browser again. This is not my experience. On my MacBook Pro it is slow and tends to cause system lockups on a regular basis. Everytime there is a new announcement about how the new Firefox has improved performance and stability I give it a try and each time am disappointed. On my phone the Firefox browser is almost unusably slow and slow enough that it can't replace Chrome. Mozilla has released other mobile browsers which perform faster but they lack the features I need in my browser.
- davemp 8y ago
  If one doesn't want to rely on anecdata, here [1] is a benchmark. Based on my experience and this benchmark, I don't how such a negative opinion can be supported. [1]: https://www.pcworld.com/article/3213031/computers/best-web-browsers.html?page=2 https://www.pcworld.com/article/3213031/computers/best-web-b...
  - godzillabrennus 8y ago
    Clearly Edge isn't a terrible engine. Why wouldn't Microsoft just open source it instead of switching to Chromium?
    - davemp 8y ago
      I’m not sure, but I’m forced to use edge at work. There are a litany of details that annoy me about the browser—speed not being one. Likely some suit just presented a convincing PowerPoint on how MS could save some dosh.
- demarq 8y ago
  Same here, I see a whole lot of marketing and people saying it is fast, but 10 minutes into trying it seems to just struggle. Watching youtube in 1080p it struggles and CPU goes up, fans are on. Scrolling Heavy e-commerce sites (amazon, jumia)... CPU goes up, fans are on. Yet, run chrome on these same sites, with the same settings and no fan noises/frezes at all.
mises 8y ago
Agree about the tab container. Incredibly useful.
daveheq 8y ago
Do you mean uBlock Origin, or the scam extension uBlock? https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/ublock/reviews/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/ublock/review...

gdfasfklshg4 8y ago

> Mozilla has the hardcore geeks on their side. Even during the V30 to v50 transition period where Firefox was, at the time, clearly an inferior product, we kept using it to support it for the sheer ideal of it. We hoped it would come back from it, and it happened: Firefox is now a fast, lean and fantastic browser again. I use Firefox. I always have. My experience is totally different to yours. Before FF57 it was a single process and it ran nicely on a 4GB machine with a 2009 Intel Atom processor. Afterwards it became much hungrier for memory and processor. I had to buy a new computer. (I tried Chrome of course but it is hungrier.)

sametmax 8y ago
I said "during the V30 to v50 transition period where Firefox was, at the time, clearly an inferior product", compared to the competition, not anterior version of itself. The later is a more complicated matter, as it was 10 years ago, with different expectations, hardware, user base and web.
- gdfasfklshg4 8y ago
  And I pointed out that prior to v57 FF was a clearly superior product to the competition for me. For me FF v52 was also superior to v57. Sadly v52 is now out of support and the result is that I had to get a new computer. For me the order of utility is FF pre v57 > FF post v57 > Chromium based browsers.
seba_dos1 8y ago
The multiprocess architecture makes it run faster on newer machines, but slower on older ones. Have you tried disabling it (limiting to one process) though?
- Endy 8y ago
  They've disabled that setting.
  - seba_dos1 8y ago
    Not sure if I can disable electrolysis altogether, but I sure still can limit it to one content process, even from the GUI.
- deleted 8y ago
  [deleted]

AnaniasAnanas 8y ago

> - Privacy concerns are (FINALLY !) being taken in consideration from the crowd I don't know how true this is when considering all the calling-home (split over multiple settings in about:config making it difficult to disable) in modern firefox versions. > Mozilla has the hardcore geeks on their side. A lot of geeks are moving away from it to forks or to other browsers like qutebrowser, which actually makes senses considering that mozilla keeps trying to sabotage the poweruser demographic.

sametmax 8y ago
> I don't know how true this is when considering all the calling-home (split over multiple settings in about:config making it difficult to disable) in modern firefox versions. I agree but between a broken leg and cancer, you choose the broken leg. > A lot of geeks are moving away from it to forks or to other browsers like qutebrowser, which actually makes senses considering that mozilla keeps trying to sabotage the poweruser demographic. This has always been the case. We try alternatives, that's what we do. It's sane, and no matter Mozilla's behavior, we would do it.

listic 8y ago

Does mobile Firefox come with Ublock Origin built-in?

AsyncAwait 8y ago
Not built in, but you can install it as easily as on the desktop.

tssva 8y ago

>Firefox is now a fast, lean and fantastic browser again. This is not my experience. On my MacBook Pro it is slow and tends to cause system lockups on a regular basis. Everytime there is a new announcement about how the new Firefox has improved performance and stability I give it a try and each time am disappointed. On my phone the Firefox browser is almost unusably slow and slow enough that it can't replace Chrome. Mozilla has released other mobile browsers which perform faster but they lack the features I need in my browser.

davemp 8y ago
If one doesn't want to rely on anecdata, here [1] is a benchmark. Based on my experience and this benchmark, I don't how such a negative opinion can be supported. [1]: https://www.pcworld.com/article/3213031/computers/best-web-browsers.html?page=2 https://www.pcworld.com/article/3213031/computers/best-web-b...
- godzillabrennus 8y ago
  Clearly Edge isn't a terrible engine. Why wouldn't Microsoft just open source it instead of switching to Chromium?
  - davemp 8y ago
    I’m not sure, but I’m forced to use edge at work. There are a litany of details that annoy me about the browser—speed not being one. Likely some suit just presented a convincing PowerPoint on how MS could save some dosh.
demarq 8y ago
Same here, I see a whole lot of marketing and people saying it is fast, but 10 minutes into trying it seems to just struggle. Watching youtube in 1080p it struggles and CPU goes up, fans are on. Scrolling Heavy e-commerce sites (amazon, jumia)... CPU goes up, fans are on. Yet, run chrome on these same sites, with the same settings and no fan noises/frezes at all.

mises 8y ago

Agree about the tab container. Incredibly useful.

daveheq 8y ago

Do you mean uBlock Origin, or the scam extension uBlock? https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/ublock/reviews/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/ublock/review...