3 ms·

I use 1password regularly, tried bitwarden, found it lacking in various quality of life features & polish that 1p has, so I didn't migrate. This is kind of yik

I use 1password regularly, tried bitwarden, found it lacking in various quality of life features & polish that 1p has, so I didn't migrate. This is kind of yikes for a password manager too: https://github.com/bitwarden/core/issues/399 https://github.com/bitwarden/core/issues/399 But it's also pretty much the only polished open source password manager there is out there. For now I'll be sticking with 1password, but might check out bitwarden again once they have tests and more maturity as a password manager.

tarwich 8y ago
Just for the record, I don't believe that 1Password has unit tests either. I was unable to find evidence of unit tests, but I did find this: https://discussions.agilebits.com/discussion/comment/156429/#Comment_156429 https://discussions.agilebits.com/discussion/comment/156429/... We have a tendency to compare opaque with transparent and balk at what we find, but I question what you would feel if you could see through the opaque.
- woolvalley 8y ago
  That is true, but at least they have code review and multiple people ;) I'm just estimating from my experience that after a certain point, most companies start writing automated tests. And if you look at their jobs page, one of the job description points is "Create unit tests for existing code to run faster and more reliably.": https://1password.com/jobs/droid-builder/ https://1password.com/jobs/droid-builder/ They might even have a few QA people AFAIK! I understand why the single founder / engineer of bitwarden doesn't have tests. When you're a startup not writing tests can speed you up significantly. But after a certain point they are going to need automated testing, especially for something as vital as this. For me, the lack of open source in 1p has been a sticking point, and I was planning to migrate after the audit. But seeing no tests, 1p documenting their security model and bitwarden not being good enough compared to 1p in UI has me sticking to 1p for now. I have high hopes that bitwarden will get to that maturity point one day.
tashoecraft 8y ago
I found the same thing with their client apps, should have checked core to see if there weren't any there as well. I switched over about a week ago and find it pretty solid, but it's missing alot of the quality of life features that last pass had. You can't just hit command + c whilst on a entry and have it copy the password, they haven't implemented the new ios 12 features that make password managers much better on ios. I'm running them both right now as I'm not fully committed to the switch over, but I'll see how the features get added over time.

tarwich 8y ago

Just for the record, I don't believe that 1Password has unit tests either. I was unable to find evidence of unit tests, but I did find this: https://discussions.agilebits.com/discussion/comment/156429/#Comment_156429 https://discussions.agilebits.com/discussion/comment/156429/... We have a tendency to compare opaque with transparent and balk at what we find, but I question what you would feel if you could see through the opaque.

woolvalley 8y ago
That is true, but at least they have code review and multiple people ;) I'm just estimating from my experience that after a certain point, most companies start writing automated tests. And if you look at their jobs page, one of the job description points is "Create unit tests for existing code to run faster and more reliably.": https://1password.com/jobs/droid-builder/ https://1password.com/jobs/droid-builder/ They might even have a few QA people AFAIK! I understand why the single founder / engineer of bitwarden doesn't have tests. When you're a startup not writing tests can speed you up significantly. But after a certain point they are going to need automated testing, especially for something as vital as this. For me, the lack of open source in 1p has been a sticking point, and I was planning to migrate after the audit. But seeing no tests, 1p documenting their security model and bitwarden not being good enough compared to 1p in UI has me sticking to 1p for now. I have high hopes that bitwarden will get to that maturity point one day.

tashoecraft 8y ago

I found the same thing with their client apps, should have checked core to see if there weren't any there as well. I switched over about a week ago and find it pretty solid, but it's missing alot of the quality of life features that last pass had. You can't just hit command + c whilst on a entry and have it copy the password, they haven't implemented the new ios 12 features that make password managers much better on ios. I'm running them both right now as I'm not fully committed to the switch over, but I'll see how the features get added over time.