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I'm not sure what more they could do. They're extremely pushy about it in Windows. It takes several steps to make it stop pushing Edge when you open any web lin

I'm not sure what more they could do. They're extremely pushy about it in Windows. It takes several steps to make it stop pushing Edge when you open any web links. I don't use Edge (or Chrome) because I don't trust the companies that make them, and it's one small piece of my computing life I can withhold from them. So...there's nothing they could do to make Edge good enough for me, without fixing the lack of trust I have toward Microsoft, which I guess is a marketing problem, but also a behavior problem. (Surprisingly, though, I think I feel less animosity toward Microsoft than I do for Google these days. Which, is hard for me to believe about myself, given how long and how much I've hated Microsoft over the years.)

adrianhel 8y ago
I know what they could do. Release it as Internet Explorer Edge and include IE11 as Lecagy Internet Explorer 11.
Ntrails 8y ago
> I'm not sure what more they could do. Don't release a browser which cannot be made to adblock. I suspect that 90% of the vaguely techy world laughed at Edge the moment it's clear they'd have to accept autoplaying videos on webpages again. And like it or not those reactions filter through family and friends pretty effectively.
- int_19h 8y ago
  Doesn't Edge have AdBlock and uBlock extensions?
  - gtirloni 8y ago
    It didn't for a long time.
- alanh 8y ago
  Right - for quite some time, Edge didn’t even support BOOKMARKLETS, much less extensions! April 2017: https://alanhogan.com/ms-edge-is-a-bad-browser https://alanhogan.com/ms-edge-is-a-bad-browser
cm2187 8y ago
Chrome didn’t come to dominate the desktop browser market by forcing users’ hand, but by offering a better experience. The few times I used Edge, nothing gave me a remotely better experience, I only noticed small annoyances and moved on.
- reitanqild 8y ago
  > Chrome didn’t come to dominate the desktop browser market by forcing users’ hand, but by offering a better experience. Disagree strongly. Reasons: - Google has been extremely pushy with Chrome, including lying (IMO) about it on their front page, a place where no other ads have been shown ever (IIRC). - Their own products often don't work in other browsers. Might be an honest mistake but personally I really don't buy the idea that Google cannot afford a QA team, so I'm going with the idea that they classify all this as "really useful bugs". - People keep telling me that Chrome is better. I've tried to like Chrome (before I started shunning Google, I used to be a fanboy) and for me it could never replace Firefox for work (development, support and research). So I go with "better for some people". - Today I'd argue that more than ever Chrome is a worse choice. It's not like they've stopped sending every address you type in back to their AI, and recently they've strayed so far from "Don't be evil" that even they realized it was becoming a joke. (Something something about animals on a farm and pigs painting the barn wall at night.)
  - cm2187 8y ago
    It doesn't matter how pushy or honest is google. Users have to go out of their way to use chrome instead of the default browsers and they still do. And I haven't heard anyone saying "I'd rather use Edge or IE but site xxx only works on Chrome".
    - reitanqild 8y ago
      > It doesn't matter how pushy or honest is google. Users have to go out of their way to use chrome instead of the default browsers and they still do. Not entirely true. Chrome as been bundled with other popular software for significant time. Also saying someone has to go out of their way to install it when it is advertised on the front of Google.com isn't my definition of "out of their way".
salvar 8y ago
> I'm not sure what more they could do. They're extremely pushy about it in Windows. One of the things that pushed me away from Edge. Being pushy is not the same as being persuasive.
hannasanarion 8y ago
> They're extremely pushy about it in Windows. Now they're starting to push it on mobile too. Swiftkey just added a non-removable bing search bar that also prompts you to install Edge for Android.

adrianhel 8y ago

I know what they could do. Release it as Internet Explorer Edge and include IE11 as Lecagy Internet Explorer 11.

Ntrails 8y ago

> I'm not sure what more they could do. Don't release a browser which cannot be made to adblock. I suspect that 90% of the vaguely techy world laughed at Edge the moment it's clear they'd have to accept autoplaying videos on webpages again. And like it or not those reactions filter through family and friends pretty effectively.

int_19h 8y ago
Doesn't Edge have AdBlock and uBlock extensions?
- gtirloni 8y ago
  It didn't for a long time.
alanh 8y ago
Right - for quite some time, Edge didn’t even support BOOKMARKLETS, much less extensions! April 2017: https://alanhogan.com/ms-edge-is-a-bad-browser https://alanhogan.com/ms-edge-is-a-bad-browser

cm2187 8y ago

Chrome didn’t come to dominate the desktop browser market by forcing users’ hand, but by offering a better experience. The few times I used Edge, nothing gave me a remotely better experience, I only noticed small annoyances and moved on.

reitanqild 8y ago
> Chrome didn’t come to dominate the desktop browser market by forcing users’ hand, but by offering a better experience. Disagree strongly. Reasons: - Google has been extremely pushy with Chrome, including lying (IMO) about it on their front page, a place where no other ads have been shown ever (IIRC). - Their own products often don't work in other browsers. Might be an honest mistake but personally I really don't buy the idea that Google cannot afford a QA team, so I'm going with the idea that they classify all this as "really useful bugs". - People keep telling me that Chrome is better. I've tried to like Chrome (before I started shunning Google, I used to be a fanboy) and for me it could never replace Firefox for work (development, support and research). So I go with "better for some people". - Today I'd argue that more than ever Chrome is a worse choice. It's not like they've stopped sending every address you type in back to their AI, and recently they've strayed so far from "Don't be evil" that even they realized it was becoming a joke. (Something something about animals on a farm and pigs painting the barn wall at night.)
- cm2187 8y ago
  It doesn't matter how pushy or honest is google. Users have to go out of their way to use chrome instead of the default browsers and they still do. And I haven't heard anyone saying "I'd rather use Edge or IE but site xxx only works on Chrome".
  - reitanqild 8y ago
    > It doesn't matter how pushy or honest is google. Users have to go out of their way to use chrome instead of the default browsers and they still do. Not entirely true. Chrome as been bundled with other popular software for significant time. Also saying someone has to go out of their way to install it when it is advertised on the front of Google.com isn't my definition of "out of their way".

salvar 8y ago

> I'm not sure what more they could do. They're extremely pushy about it in Windows. One of the things that pushed me away from Edge. Being pushy is not the same as being persuasive.

hannasanarion 8y ago

> They're extremely pushy about it in Windows. Now they're starting to push it on mobile too. Swiftkey just added a non-removable bing search bar that also prompts you to install Edge for Android.