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> People drive them on the sidewalks Where else would they drive them? On the road? They would just contribute to the thousands of cyclists that die or are s

by qudat 8y ago

> People drive them on the sidewalks Where else would they drive them? On the road? They would just contribute to the thousands of cyclists that die or are seriously injured every year. If you are suggesting that every electric vehicle be banned because sidewalks are for pedestrians only then I disagree. Streets are for cars only, don't let these fake bike lanes fool you.

sonofaplum 8y ago
Vehicles that move faster than pedestrians should go on the road, like bicycles do. As a bike rider, its a vastly superior option that going on the sidewalk.
- anonytrary 8y ago
  In more developed areas, there are three options. Fast (main road for cars), medium (bike lane) and slow (sidewalks). I'd imagine birds would ride in the medium and slow lanes. They go up to 15 MPH, which is the run-speed of a human. Should runners be on the bike lane? I don't think so.
  - xur17 8y ago
    > In more developed areas, there are three options. Fast (main road for cars), medium (bike lane) and slow (sidewalks). I'd imagine birds would ride in the medium and slow lanes. And to be clear 'bike lane' != road shoulder with a bike painted on it. A bike lane should have at least some amount of separation from the road in the same way that sidewalks are separated. I'm hopeful that the popularity of scooters speeds up the adoption of medium speed lanes.
  - sonofaplum 8y ago
    runners have a much better stopping speed than bicycles, and also don't have sharp metal or carbon fiber frames that can hurt pedestrians :) Also 15 mph is a sub 4:20 mile, and for most people will be pretty close to a flat out sprint. Not super adviseable on sidewalks either. Most joggers will be going half that speed. walking, 3mph running at an 9 min mile 6.5mph
baroffoos 8y ago
All roads without separated tracks for cyclists/scooters should be limited to 30-40km/h
tuxxy 8y ago
The sidewalk is a far more statistically dangerous place for cyclists (and scooters, by extension). Here's an FAQ from Cornell on this: http://www.bike.cornell.edu/pdfs/Sidewalk_biking_FAQ.pdf http://www.bike.cornell.edu/pdfs/Sidewalk_biking_FAQ.pdf
- ryanwaggoner 8y ago
  That certainly doesn’t show that it’s far more dangerous. In every scenario listed, a minority of motorist / cyclist accidents at intersections involved a cyclist on the sidewalk. Meaning that the majority of such accidents occurred where the cyclist was not on the sidewalk. We actually don’t have enough info from that to say which is safer. If 99% of cyclists ride in the sidewalk, but the 1% who don’t make up more than half the accidents, I’d say riding on the sidewalk is far safer. I’m not necessarily disagreeing with your conclusion. I just don’t like the use of faux data to show a conclusion that feels right. 98% of kids with autism were vaccinated in the prior three years!

by qudat 8y ago

sonofaplum 8y ago

Vehicles that move faster than pedestrians should go on the road, like bicycles do. As a bike rider, its a vastly superior option that going on the sidewalk.

anonytrary 8y ago
In more developed areas, there are three options. Fast (main road for cars), medium (bike lane) and slow (sidewalks). I'd imagine birds would ride in the medium and slow lanes. They go up to 15 MPH, which is the run-speed of a human. Should runners be on the bike lane? I don't think so.
- xur17 8y ago
  > In more developed areas, there are three options. Fast (main road for cars), medium (bike lane) and slow (sidewalks). I'd imagine birds would ride in the medium and slow lanes. And to be clear 'bike lane' != road shoulder with a bike painted on it. A bike lane should have at least some amount of separation from the road in the same way that sidewalks are separated. I'm hopeful that the popularity of scooters speeds up the adoption of medium speed lanes.
- sonofaplum 8y ago
  runners have a much better stopping speed than bicycles, and also don't have sharp metal or carbon fiber frames that can hurt pedestrians :) Also 15 mph is a sub 4:20 mile, and for most people will be pretty close to a flat out sprint. Not super adviseable on sidewalks either. Most joggers will be going half that speed. walking, 3mph running at an 9 min mile 6.5mph

baroffoos 8y ago

All roads without separated tracks for cyclists/scooters should be limited to 30-40km/h

tuxxy 8y ago

The sidewalk is a far more statistically dangerous place for cyclists (and scooters, by extension). Here's an FAQ from Cornell on this: http://www.bike.cornell.edu/pdfs/Sidewalk_biking_FAQ.pdf http://www.bike.cornell.edu/pdfs/Sidewalk_biking_FAQ.pdf

ryanwaggoner 8y ago
That certainly doesn’t show that it’s far more dangerous. In every scenario listed, a minority of motorist / cyclist accidents at intersections involved a cyclist on the sidewalk. Meaning that the majority of such accidents occurred where the cyclist was not on the sidewalk. We actually don’t have enough info from that to say which is safer. If 99% of cyclists ride in the sidewalk, but the 1% who don’t make up more than half the accidents, I’d say riding on the sidewalk is far safer. I’m not necessarily disagreeing with your conclusion. I just don’t like the use of faux data to show a conclusion that feels right. 98% of kids with autism were vaccinated in the prior three years!