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69 years old (more or less on earth or in space) is no different than Male or Female (more or less). The difference is in relative subjective granularity.

kennywinker 8y ago
In what sense is the time since birth subjective? Excepting general relativity time dilation Interstellar situations, that is.
tdb7893 8y ago
Many people refer to sex as what someone is biologically and gender as what society considers them (edit: just FYI I'm not an expert and this is probably an oversimplification). While sex is more constant there isn't any reason gender has to be (and there are practical reasons why it shouldn't be but that's out of scope of this comment). This means that while biologically someone might have two XX chromosomes and be 60 years old it's not necessary that society considers them an old woman.
EpicEng 8y ago
That's simply wrong. Age has a definition. You cannot 'feel' yourself into a different age. Sex != gender.
- ArchTypical 8y ago
  > That's simply wrong. > Age has a definition. Relativity explains that this definition is subjective, experimentally. Astronauts experience time differentials and it will only get more obvious as we go farther. Again, the concept of granularity (how much of what matters from what perspective) applies in both cases - age and gender. This isn't a justification. Resolve this philosophically however you like with one and I observe that it should be true in the other case.
  - EpicEng 8y ago
    Quite the stretch. Ok, I give up: if it is demonstrable that a given person has traveled near the speed of light and thus aged significantly differently than the rest of us, that person should be allowed to legally change their age. That's happened zero times thus far, so I stand by my original argument.
    - andrenth 8y ago
      Physics is quite a stretch and yet denying biology isn’t... This is an anti-science, ideological stance.
      - EpicEng 8y ago
        >Physics is quite a stretch and yet denying biology isn’t... Who's talking about biology? Go look up the definition of "gender". We can debate the specifics and current state of affairs, but you can't argue with the definition.
        andrenth 8y ago
        The definition of gender, stated multiple times in this thread as if it were a hard truth (i.e. a social construct), is purely ideological.

kennywinker 8y ago

In what sense is the time since birth subjective? Excepting general relativity time dilation Interstellar situations, that is.

tdb7893 8y ago

Many people refer to sex as what someone is biologically and gender as what society considers them (edit: just FYI I'm not an expert and this is probably an oversimplification). While sex is more constant there isn't any reason gender has to be (and there are practical reasons why it shouldn't be but that's out of scope of this comment). This means that while biologically someone might have two XX chromosomes and be 60 years old it's not necessary that society considers them an old woman.

EpicEng 8y ago

That's simply wrong. Age has a definition. You cannot 'feel' yourself into a different age. Sex != gender.

ArchTypical 8y ago
> That's simply wrong. > Age has a definition. Relativity explains that this definition is subjective, experimentally. Astronauts experience time differentials and it will only get more obvious as we go farther. Again, the concept of granularity (how much of what matters from what perspective) applies in both cases - age and gender. This isn't a justification. Resolve this philosophically however you like with one and I observe that it should be true in the other case.
- EpicEng 8y ago
  Quite the stretch. Ok, I give up: if it is demonstrable that a given person has traveled near the speed of light and thus aged significantly differently than the rest of us, that person should be allowed to legally change their age. That's happened zero times thus far, so I stand by my original argument.
  - andrenth 8y ago
    Physics is quite a stretch and yet denying biology isn’t... This is an anti-science, ideological stance.
    - EpicEng 8y ago
      >Physics is quite a stretch and yet denying biology isn’t... Who's talking about biology? Go look up the definition of "gender". We can debate the specifics and current state of affairs, but you can't argue with the definition.
      - andrenth 8y ago
        The definition of gender, stated multiple times in this thread as if it were a hard truth (i.e. a social construct), is purely ideological.