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i think the important difference with age is that there are hard legal implications that go along with it, that SHOULDN'T exist over the dimensions of sex and r

i think the important difference with age is that there are hard legal implications that go along with it, that SHOULDN'T exist over the dimensions of sex and race. The one that flies out at me is retirement or senior benefits. There may be some options only available to people of color, or women, but not as widespread as the implications of age. If this passed, could I become 65 and start withdrawing my 401k penalty-free?

nkkollaw 8y ago
> i think the important difference with age is that there are hard legal implications that go along with it, that SHOULDN'T exist over the dimensions of sex and race There are many incentives for women. Think about tax cuts for starting a company, etc. etc. Do you want to remove those incentives? > If this passed, could I become 65 and start withdrawing my 401k penalty-free? Well, women (at least in Italy or Europe I guess) can retire earlier than men. So, can a 60-year old become a woman and retire, while as a man he would have to work until he's 65? You haven't thought this through.
- notatcomputer68 8y ago
  I'd seriously consider putting on a believable show for 5 years earlier retirement...
- froindt 8y ago
  > Well, women (at least in Italy or Europe I guess) can retire earlier than men. I'm from the US and haven't heard of this before. Is there a widespread rationale for this? As a whole, women live longer, so equating "retired years" doesn't seem plausible. In the US, you get (easy) access to 401k and IRA at 59.5 years old, and social security can't be claimed until 62. Gender doesn't matter.
  - dijit 8y ago
    I think this wikipedia article is some proof that there is widespread adoption at least. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retirement_age https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retirement_age As for the UK: the Womens retirement age used to be 60, but it has been steadily rising for some time, until at one point it was brought to parity for eligibility for state pensions. (a move that was marred with protest by those wishing for "equality"? somehow) https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2018/oct/10/thousand-women-protest-at-changes-to-uk-pension-age https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2018/oct/10/thousan...
  - PeterisP 8y ago
    There is a gender difference in many countries worldwide - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retirement_age https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retirement_age , with women often getting to retire 5 years earlier. The differences used to be more common, now many countries have equalized the retirement age where it used to be different, and many of those where there currently is a difference are phasing it out.
thinkingemote 8y ago
What material benefits does a pensioner have by identifying as a younger person? They would lose entitlement to pensions and benefits and social security in most European countries.
monochromatic 8y ago
Affirmative action is a big benefit. I'm a white male at the moment, but I could get a real leg up if I were transgender and/or transracial.
xiphias2 8y ago
The fact is that these differences im sex exist (and increasing). I would happily change my official gender to be able to be a board member (now that California is limiting it). But if I needed, I would maybe change my official gender just to be able to fall into the gender quota and get a job.

nkkollaw 8y ago

> i think the important difference with age is that there are hard legal implications that go along with it, that SHOULDN'T exist over the dimensions of sex and race There are many incentives for women. Think about tax cuts for starting a company, etc. etc. Do you want to remove those incentives? > If this passed, could I become 65 and start withdrawing my 401k penalty-free? Well, women (at least in Italy or Europe I guess) can retire earlier than men. So, can a 60-year old become a woman and retire, while as a man he would have to work until he's 65? You haven't thought this through.

notatcomputer68 8y ago
I'd seriously consider putting on a believable show for 5 years earlier retirement...
froindt 8y ago
> Well, women (at least in Italy or Europe I guess) can retire earlier than men. I'm from the US and haven't heard of this before. Is there a widespread rationale for this? As a whole, women live longer, so equating "retired years" doesn't seem plausible. In the US, you get (easy) access to 401k and IRA at 59.5 years old, and social security can't be claimed until 62. Gender doesn't matter.
- dijit 8y ago
  I think this wikipedia article is some proof that there is widespread adoption at least. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retirement_age https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retirement_age As for the UK: the Womens retirement age used to be 60, but it has been steadily rising for some time, until at one point it was brought to parity for eligibility for state pensions. (a move that was marred with protest by those wishing for "equality"? somehow) https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2018/oct/10/thousand-women-protest-at-changes-to-uk-pension-age https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2018/oct/10/thousan...
- PeterisP 8y ago
  There is a gender difference in many countries worldwide - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retirement_age https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retirement_age , with women often getting to retire 5 years earlier. The differences used to be more common, now many countries have equalized the retirement age where it used to be different, and many of those where there currently is a difference are phasing it out.

thinkingemote 8y ago

What material benefits does a pensioner have by identifying as a younger person? They would lose entitlement to pensions and benefits and social security in most European countries.

monochromatic 8y ago

Affirmative action is a big benefit. I'm a white male at the moment, but I could get a real leg up if I were transgender and/or transracial.

xiphias2 8y ago

The fact is that these differences im sex exist (and increasing). I would happily change my official gender to be able to be a board member (now that California is limiting it). But if I needed, I would maybe change my official gender just to be able to fall into the gender quota and get a job.