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>How, exactly, does Dragonfly make the world a worse place It sets the precedent of Google censoring search results for a government. Once they do it for China
by beginningguava 8y ago
>How, exactly, does Dragonfly make the world a worse place
It sets the precedent of Google censoring search results for a government. Once they do it for China you don't think other countries will say "censor these results like you did for China or GTFO"?
We've recently seen leaked internal discussions by Google engineers saying they want to ban media publications they don't like. You can say they're a private company but at this point if google bans you, you effectively don't exist online
- brlewis 8y agoI admit to not having seen those discussions, but I doubt they show consensus within google that certain publications should be banned. In any group of people there will be some who will say they'd like to ban something, be it Hello Kitty or whatever. Disclaimer: ex-googler
- reaperducer 8y agoDoes it matter if there's consensus? From everything we know so far, there was no consensus about Dragonfly, but it got built anyway.
- vermilingua 8y agoThey don't need to show consensus; they simply need to show (as they have done) that there is some number of bad actors within the company with both the means and motivation to enforce their own bias on the rest of the world.
- brlewis 8y agoThe claim I replied to is: "We've recently seen leaked internal discussions by Google engineers saying they want to ban media publications they don't like." Individual engineers did not have the means to ban in 2013 when I was an engineer in Search Features. I seriously doubt that's changed.
- mavhc 8y agoIf I were Google and a government told me to GTFO I would, leaving a message saying "Leader of Country, call this number when you change your mind", wait 5 mins for everyone to complain to the government, and then answer the phone
- fhbdukfrh 8y agoYou'd be waiting more than 5 minutes. China has told lots of companies to get lost and built compelling substitutes internally. This is about Google wanting into the biggest global market in a bad way, not finally relenting to China's long term overtures.
- cortesoft 8y agoThose other countries better have as big a market as China, or Google will choose to GTFO
- yourbandsucks 8y agoNot to mention, they need an alternative to Google. Russia has Yandex, China has baidu, and everyone else has dickall.