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Why can't these men just learn Look what you have not said: "Why can't these women just learn ..." Somewhow you only seem to require men to do things? Ar

Why can't these men just learn Look what you have not said: "Why can't these women just learn ..." Somewhow you only seem to require men to do things? Are you arguing that it's acceptable for women falsely to accuse men? Ask yourself: what have you done to ensure that women not falsely accuse men? Have you had "the talk" with your daughters about false accusations?

danesparza 8y ago
The men are in a position of power. Side note: How many women have been accused of sexual harassment?
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- YorkshireSeason 8y ago
  So you have not asked your daughter to avoid falsely accusing others. Why? Does the law say, "false accusations are acceptable if the false accuser is in not in a position of power"? In my experience, the "position of power" reply is a canned response that is being used to deflect a question. It is in my experience never accompanied by a substantial understanding of what power actually means, and of an awareness of the long tradition of difficulties of defining the concept of power. In order to help you get away from this naive position, let me invite you to consider reflecting on the fact that the ability falsely to accuse others of heinous crimes and get away with it might be a power in itself. (Cf how the Khashoggi murderes are likely to get away with it -- would you or I get away with murder?)
- gnicholas 8y ago
  Not sure about the total number (surely fewer than men), but a legislator at the forefront of the #MeToo movement in CA has been accused of sexual harassment: https://www.latimes.com/politics/essential/la-pol-ca-essential-politics-updates-female-lawmaker-who-has-been-outspoken-1518133766-htmlstory.html https://www.latimes.com/politics/essential/la-pol-ca-essenti...
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bradleyankrom 8y ago
where is the data suggesting women are falsely accusing men of assault at anything approching a significant rate?
- bradleyankrom 8y ago
  Consensus seems to be that somewhere between 2% and 10% of investigated rape claims prove to be false. Stanford: Myths about false accusation [0] BBC: The truth about false assault accusations by women [1] CNN: Sexual assault false reporting: What the statistics say [2] [0] https://web.stanford.edu/group/maan/cgi-bin/?page_id=297 https://web.stanford.edu/group/maan/cgi-bin/?page_id=297 [1] https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-45565684 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-45565684 [2] https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/03/health/sexual-assault-false-reports/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/03/health/sexual-assault-false-r...
  - YorkshireSeason 8y ago
    Consensus seems to be There is no consensus. Your references [0, 1] both claim some variant of most-rapes-are-not-reported trope (I have not had time to look into [3]): - "only about 40% of rapes are ever reported" [0] - "the number of rapes and sexual assaults which are never reported or prosecuted far outweighs ..." [1] Pretty much by definition of "not reported", it is difficult to believe that one can confidently make statements about the number of rapes that are not reported. Another shortcoming of [0, 1] is that they don't in fact say what they mean by rape. The very definition of this term is controversial (e.g. statutory rape, which is nonforcible sexual activity in which one of the individuals is below the age of consent. Note also that the age of consent varies between different legal systems). This is a serious omission. Given this, why should one take the rest of the articles serious?
    - bradleyankrom 8y ago
      show me better sources and data?
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danesparza 8y ago

The men are in a position of power. Side note: How many women have been accused of sexual harassment?

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YorkshireSeason 8y ago
So you have not asked your daughter to avoid falsely accusing others. Why? Does the law say, "false accusations are acceptable if the false accuser is in not in a position of power"? In my experience, the "position of power" reply is a canned response that is being used to deflect a question. It is in my experience never accompanied by a substantial understanding of what power actually means, and of an awareness of the long tradition of difficulties of defining the concept of power. In order to help you get away from this naive position, let me invite you to consider reflecting on the fact that the ability falsely to accuse others of heinous crimes and get away with it might be a power in itself. (Cf how the Khashoggi murderes are likely to get away with it -- would you or I get away with murder?)
gnicholas 8y ago
Not sure about the total number (surely fewer than men), but a legislator at the forefront of the #MeToo movement in CA has been accused of sexual harassment: https://www.latimes.com/politics/essential/la-pol-ca-essential-politics-updates-female-lawmaker-who-has-been-outspoken-1518133766-htmlstory.html https://www.latimes.com/politics/essential/la-pol-ca-essenti...
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bradleyankrom 8y ago

where is the data suggesting women are falsely accusing men of assault at anything approching a significant rate?

bradleyankrom 8y ago
Consensus seems to be that somewhere between 2% and 10% of investigated rape claims prove to be false. Stanford: Myths about false accusation [0] BBC: The truth about false assault accusations by women [1] CNN: Sexual assault false reporting: What the statistics say [2] [0] https://web.stanford.edu/group/maan/cgi-bin/?page_id=297 https://web.stanford.edu/group/maan/cgi-bin/?page_id=297 [1] https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-45565684 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-45565684 [2] https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/03/health/sexual-assault-false-reports/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/03/health/sexual-assault-false-r...
- YorkshireSeason 8y ago
  Consensus seems to be There is no consensus. Your references [0, 1] both claim some variant of most-rapes-are-not-reported trope (I have not had time to look into [3]): - "only about 40% of rapes are ever reported" [0] - "the number of rapes and sexual assaults which are never reported or prosecuted far outweighs ..." [1] Pretty much by definition of "not reported", it is difficult to believe that one can confidently make statements about the number of rapes that are not reported. Another shortcoming of [0, 1] is that they don't in fact say what they mean by rape. The very definition of this term is controversial (e.g. statutory rape, which is nonforcible sexual activity in which one of the individuals is below the age of consent. Note also that the age of consent varies between different legal systems). This is a serious omission. Given this, why should one take the rest of the articles serious?
  - bradleyankrom 8y ago
    show me better sources and data?
    - 8y ago