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1. for every week of oncall a developer should get 1 day off. 2. If developer had to work nights, he should be compensation with additional days off. 3. no pa

1. for every week of oncall a developer should get 1 day off. 2. If developer had to work nights, he should be compensation with additional days off. 3. no payment would reduce the stress so we should not ask for payment compensation. 4. We as developers have let this on us too easily, to eliminate stress devs must form a group and do not sign contracts which do not provide automatic day off for oncall.

krzrak 8y ago
It's your point of view. I know lots of developers who don't care about extra days off, they just want the additional $$ for being on call (if there are no issues it's just easy money). The same for the rare occasion they need to handle some issue (night overtime is paid x2). We have an on-call schedule in our dept which is filled up on a voluntary basis. Every time we add new months to it (it's Google spreadsheet), they are "sold out" within few hours.
- rooam-dev 8y ago
  With this approach company loses long term, IMHO. Productivity goes down (8 hours work day + on call, next day again) + company pays extra.
- borghildhedda 8y ago
  I think if companies need to pay with "days off" instead of "money" they would be much more carefull with on-call and have a much greater incentive to make the on-call - not call, proper procedure, taking care of on-call incidents so they don't repeat. They would empower developers to make sure to minimize it so they don't have a penalty of dev-on-vacation. when you have an oncall with fixed payment per hours, you just don't have enough incentive to minimize the effect, you have those people handling it on on-call payment.
  - krzrak 8y ago
    The incentive is to get paid and don't have any issues to handle. And it works - we rarely have any issues off-hours, and if there are any - we are sure to quickly get rid of the cause, so we can continue to get paid for being on call without actually doing any work.
rooam-dev 8y ago
We did this, but 2 days off (things may happen late night). Even if nothing happens during the weekend.
harimau777 8y ago
I could see there potentially being problems in an at-will position where engineers aren't actually able to take those days off when they want without hurting their career.
- borghildhedda 8y ago
  it should be an automatic must take day off after finished an oncall duty, just like every workweek ends with resting days, oncall which is 24/7 of low-stress should end with resting time.
Celarnor 8y ago
This would be the ideal, but in practice (at least where I work) it would lead to empty offices all the time, since everyone would be constantly getting their regular 9-5 time "comped" dealing with whatever fires come up the night before.

krzrak 8y ago

It's your point of view. I know lots of developers who don't care about extra days off, they just want the additional $$ for being on call (if there are no issues it's just easy money). The same for the rare occasion they need to handle some issue (night overtime is paid x2). We have an on-call schedule in our dept which is filled up on a voluntary basis. Every time we add new months to it (it's Google spreadsheet), they are "sold out" within few hours.

rooam-dev 8y ago
With this approach company loses long term, IMHO. Productivity goes down (8 hours work day + on call, next day again) + company pays extra.
borghildhedda 8y ago
I think if companies need to pay with "days off" instead of "money" they would be much more carefull with on-call and have a much greater incentive to make the on-call - not call, proper procedure, taking care of on-call incidents so they don't repeat. They would empower developers to make sure to minimize it so they don't have a penalty of dev-on-vacation. when you have an oncall with fixed payment per hours, you just don't have enough incentive to minimize the effect, you have those people handling it on on-call payment.
- krzrak 8y ago
  The incentive is to get paid and don't have any issues to handle. And it works - we rarely have any issues off-hours, and if there are any - we are sure to quickly get rid of the cause, so we can continue to get paid for being on call without actually doing any work.

rooam-dev 8y ago

We did this, but 2 days off (things may happen late night). Even if nothing happens during the weekend.

harimau777 8y ago

I could see there potentially being problems in an at-will position where engineers aren't actually able to take those days off when they want without hurting their career.

borghildhedda 8y ago
it should be an automatic must take day off after finished an oncall duty, just like every workweek ends with resting days, oncall which is 24/7 of low-stress should end with resting time.

Celarnor 8y ago

This would be the ideal, but in practice (at least where I work) it would lead to empty offices all the time, since everyone would be constantly getting their regular 9-5 time "comped" dealing with whatever fires come up the night before.