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How did you reach this conclusion? The schematic in the article only shows equipment needed for growing, and the £30,000 may be referring to just that. The art

How did you reach this conclusion? The schematic in the article only shows equipment needed for growing, and the £30,000 may be referring to just that. The article makes no mention of the troubles and dangers the original parent suggested.

mattmanser 8y ago
There are other people, including ex-mine owners also quoted in the article saying they're considering this. Either everyone in the article, professors, mine owners, etc. are idiots and the grandparent is the one voice of reason in the world, or maybe, just maybe, they've already thought of this. I was trying to be polite, but the airmchair naysaying on HN is wearing at times.
- netcan 8y ago
  It definitely can be, but here I think the OP is right. First, despite all the kickstarters for urban, vertical, undeground or underwater lettuce farms... Lettuce farms are fine where they are. If you want LED grown lettuce, they can grow that there too. Grow outside the city and drive produce to the city in a car. If you want to go green, use an electric car. There's no need for the farm to be underground... on earth, at this point in time. This besides the (insightful) about how hard it is to make mines safe to access, barley safe, assuming a very active safety system.
  - starbeast 8y ago
    Canadians have been underground farming in mines for nearly two decades now, in order to grow cannabis for the government of all things. Couldn't find any coal mines being used for this, they seem to mostly be copper. - https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:_ddjRsLJTKkJ:https://www.wired.com/2001/07/mining-the-depths-for-dope/ https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:_ddjRs...
    - netcan 8y ago
      That's funny. ..and ok sure, I concede exceptions. In that case, I think (1) the tradition is of hiding from the law has produced quirky horticultural practices (piping in air and exhaust for plants is normal) (2) they don't really care about unit costs and (3) they're growing a plant that costs $10k per kg! They need security like a jewelry shop.
- ckastner 8y ago
  There's a quote from one professor who's specialty seems to be sustainable energy, not agriculture. The mine owners "considering" this idea is about as non-commital as you can get. I occasionally feel the same frustration you do with the naysaying here, but I'm even more frustrated by the hand-waving that accompanies some of the innovations presented here. The naysayers were right about Theranos and Juicero, there's a possibility that they could be right about this idea (or on any other topic) as well. The article mentions only upsides and opportunities. Not a single downside is mentioned, no risks are addressed. Either there are no downsides, or the article is one-sided, in which case we should appreciate the additional context and information provided by the "naysayers" here.

mattmanser 8y ago

There are other people, including ex-mine owners also quoted in the article saying they're considering this. Either everyone in the article, professors, mine owners, etc. are idiots and the grandparent is the one voice of reason in the world, or maybe, just maybe, they've already thought of this. I was trying to be polite, but the airmchair naysaying on HN is wearing at times.

netcan 8y ago
It definitely can be, but here I think the OP is right. First, despite all the kickstarters for urban, vertical, undeground or underwater lettuce farms... Lettuce farms are fine where they are. If you want LED grown lettuce, they can grow that there too. Grow outside the city and drive produce to the city in a car. If you want to go green, use an electric car. There's no need for the farm to be underground... on earth, at this point in time. This besides the (insightful) about how hard it is to make mines safe to access, barley safe, assuming a very active safety system.
- starbeast 8y ago
  Canadians have been underground farming in mines for nearly two decades now, in order to grow cannabis for the government of all things. Couldn't find any coal mines being used for this, they seem to mostly be copper. - https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:_ddjRsLJTKkJ:https://www.wired.com/2001/07/mining-the-depths-for-dope/ https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:_ddjRs...
  - netcan 8y ago
    That's funny. ..and ok sure, I concede exceptions. In that case, I think (1) the tradition is of hiding from the law has produced quirky horticultural practices (piping in air and exhaust for plants is normal) (2) they don't really care about unit costs and (3) they're growing a plant that costs $10k per kg! They need security like a jewelry shop.
ckastner 8y ago
There's a quote from one professor who's specialty seems to be sustainable energy, not agriculture. The mine owners "considering" this idea is about as non-commital as you can get. I occasionally feel the same frustration you do with the naysaying here, but I'm even more frustrated by the hand-waving that accompanies some of the innovations presented here. The naysayers were right about Theranos and Juicero, there's a possibility that they could be right about this idea (or on any other topic) as well. The article mentions only upsides and opportunities. Not a single downside is mentioned, no risks are addressed. Either there are no downsides, or the article is one-sided, in which case we should appreciate the additional context and information provided by the "naysayers" here.