I'm agree that real blame with real consequences will encourage people to clam up/hide evidence/start framing, but I don't think it can be 100% true/the only ou

I'm agree that real blame with real consequences will encourage people to clam up/hide evidence/start framing, but I don't think it can be 100% true/the only outcome because if this was the case then no consequences-based governance system would ever work. Also I admit it's a bit naive to say but maybe we should also be focusing on not hiring people that do egregious things when consequences arrive? A certain amount is normal but if you're working with people that destroy evidence and frame others when shit hits the fan... That's kind of a red flag no? No one hires for integrity anymore? I also disagree about it wrecking trust -- a well built & fairly applied system should build trust -- it's when people put their trust in systems with no power/hidden manipulation that trust gets wrecked the fastest. You could even make it opt in, and tie bonuses to the risk taken by those who decide to have raises/promotions manipulated in the context of the system. IMO this is basically just a sub-problem of the general "how do we govern societies" general problem and "don't have consequences" doesn't seem like a good plan either. [EDIT] I want to add that I really would like to hear other suggestions for how to solve these kinds of issues. I could only imagine a truly no-consequences style working in a xerox parc-ish environment which is only possible when there's more than enough money (both on the corporate and the people side) so desperation isn't producing rash actions, and most people are being motivated by something other than the normal money/prestige.