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Your overall premise of "There is nothing that prevents AWS from using it's own systems as business intelligence for creating their own competitive products." i
by mbesto 8y ago
Your overall premise of "There is nothing that prevents AWS from using it's own systems as business intelligence for creating their own competitive products." is spot on. But characterizing the situation as "terrifying" seems just a little bit disingenuous. It's a double edged sword.
All of the factors you mentioned are characteristics of any fortune 500 business. Are you familiar with the Innovator's dilemma?
> - No personnel, pay/benefits, recruiting or technological advantage over FAANG
Says who? Don't people leave FAANG companies all of the time because they realize they have technological advantages or don't have the right people? Good example - Otto. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_(company) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_(company)
> - No speed to scale advantages over FAANG
So let's ignore the agility and nimbleness associated with startups then? Isn't that precisely why so many software startups have been created in the last 15 years?
> - No rapid scalability outside of a FAANG owned platform
Microsoft would like to have a word with you. Ok snarky I know...I get your point. But, the rapid adoption of cloud is creating more and more cloud providers. Since lock-in is less of a problem which means we're getting more vendors with equally competing offers (just look at Equinix, Flexential, Digital Ocean, Linode, Pivotal, Rackspace, etc...just to name a few). Why do you think Azure/AWS/GCP all keep lowering their prices?
> - No advantage in new/exiting/upcoming technologies or verticals that FAANG doesn't already have projects in
What does this even mean? If a FAANG company doesn't have a project in the new/exciting/upcoming technology but you do and you prove the commercial value, then you absolutely have an advantage, no? You're there first! If, as you point out in your original post, FAANG sees that your offering has commercial value (they see more people adopting your technology) then they have to catch up to you anyway. You have a new competitor now, sure, but that is going to happen regardless of whether AWS exists or not. Is it a problem because they have the intelligence to approach the market quicker...sure. Not to mention, your ability to scale was already provided by them! Ultimately, you're complaining that the company that helped provide the scale is now competing against you? Boohoo. If this becomes such a huge problem than another provider will come along and create a "we won't compete against you" policy and change the market. I just don't see why that's such a problem.
> All the advantages you identify also reside natively inside FAANG
I think you've just proven my point. There is a level playing field when it comes to the technology services available to startups. FAANG's have a capital advantage and startups have an agility advantage. There's obviously a lot more nuance to that, but this isn't a terrifying situation at all.
- AndrewKemendo 8y agoDon't get me wrong, you can still make a niche multi-million dollar company out there in tech land and sell it off at some point. That's not my point. My point is that you can't make a company today that will beat Facebook, Google, Amazon, Apple or Microsoft. There isn't going to be a "changing of the guard" like what happened with IBM, Sun, etc... The "agility" of a startup, which itself isn't unique anymore, doesn't get you to scale faster than these companies anymore. They will wait for you to prove the market and then blow you out of the water. Trust me I have first hand experience here. All the channels are saturated and you'll either get bought or crushed. That's what is scary.
- mbesto 8y ago> There isn't going to be a "changing of the guard" like what happened with IBM, Sun, etc... Said the same people when those companies changed the guard of predecessors. Don't you remember the time when people thought Walmart and IBM were infallible? > Trust me I have first hand experience here. Trust me, I can cite billions of dollars that have bets (with real money) that say otherwise. > My point is that you can't make a company today that will beat Facebook, Google, Amazon, Apple or Microsoft. You wanna bet on that? Guess what? You can! Do you have all of your net worth tied up in Facebook, Google, Amazon, Apple and Microsoft stock? If not, then your hard stance on the matter is pretty empty. > The "agility" of a startup, which itself isn't unique anymore, doesn't get you to scale faster than these companies anymore. Since when? > All the channels are saturated and you'll either get bought or crushed. That's what is scary. Bought yes. This is definitely a problem, but for other reasons than your original argument (this is bad for startups)...but I think you just proved my point - you can get bought (for lots of $$ mind you) if you compete.
- hueving 8y ago>Do you have all of your net worth tied up in Facebook, Google, Amazon, Apple and Microsoft stock? If not, then your hard stance on the matter is pretty empty. That's a pretty naive view to how markets work. You can easily come up with scenarios where FAANG companies end up wrecking the scene for both startups and themselves. Stifle innovation long enough through a combination of acquisitions and lobbying government officials for big tech company legislation (e.g. this EU copyright bill, GDPR, obscure data compliance specs, etc) to ensure that nothing too disruptive can really take hold. Then just bloat like all uncompetitive companies while failing to meaningfully grow revenue for 30 years and you have a recipe for underperforming the rest of the market.