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"Set up your own platform" is actually "set up your own Internet". Because otherwise you'd need DNS, hosting, payment processing, CDN, certificates, etc. And gi

by smsm42 8y ago

"Set up your own platform" is actually "set up your own Internet". Because otherwise you'd need DNS, hosting, payment processing, CDN, certificates, etc. And given how rapidly this sphere is politicized and weaponized by people with an ax to grind, if you're doing something that somebody vocal objects to - or allow somebody that does to use your resources - or allow somebody that allows somebody, etc. - then you'd better build your own Internet. Because this one is fresh out of freedom.

chowells 8y ago
What part of "anyone can force you to do business with them" sounds like freedom to you? Don't payment vendors and hosting platforms have freedom? Part of freedom is the responsibility to accept consequences of your actions. If you choose to say such vile things that people quit doing business with you, that's just people exercising their freedom. If you think it's unfair, you are valuing your freedom higher than everyone else's. When you complain about "deplatforming" you aren't asking for more freedom. You're asking for the freedom of others to be removed.
- fvdessen 8y ago
  Do you support the freedom to deplatform practicing Jews as well ?
- blfr 8y ago
  I'm not all that concerned with monopolists' and near monopolists' freedoms to be honest. VISA isn't some family-run corner store.
- smsm42 8y ago
  > What part of "anyone can force you to do business with them" sounds like freedom to you? The part where activist mobs can force you not to do business with people targeted by the mobs. > Part of freedom is the responsibility to accept consequences of your actions. That's a meaningless platitude - being personally destroyed or run out of business merely because somebody set a hate mob on you is not "consequences of your actions". This is creating climate of hate and intolerance, and that's in substantial the climate we're living in now. Some time ago, it was "if you don't like it - don't read it". Now it's "if you don't like it - destroy his life, his business, and anybody he is associated and does business with". Describing it as "accept consequences" is either extremely naive or disingenuous. I certainly do not want and will not accept such climate of permanent war as something proper. > You're asking for the freedom of others to be removed. No I did not. My comments are just above that, and anybody reading them can clearly see I have not asked for any freedoms to be removed. If you're going to distort my opinions, it's probably not smart to do it right next to it - too obvious.
spookthesunset 8y ago
> then you'd better build your own Internet. Because this one is fresh out of freedom Nobody stole your freedom. People just don't want to interact with you. That is okay though, it is their right to elect to avoid interaction. Why not just mail out a DVD of all these wacko videos to subscribers instead? Back when 9/11 conspiracies were still quasi-mainstream, somebody in our neighborhood went door to door and gave every house a copy of Loose Change.
- shard972 8y ago
  > Why not just mail out a DVD of all these wacko videos to subscribers instead? Because he wants to talk on the internet? Is that not allowed anymore because you don't like it?
- smsm42 8y ago
  > Why not just mail out a DVD So your counter-argument to my argument that Internet freedoms are being destroyed is "well, you can still mail out DVDs"? Are you sure it's the strongest counter-argument you could master? In fact, how long did you work on it before considering it's a counter-argument at all? Because for me it certainly looks like confirming my point. > Back when 9/11 conspiracies were still quasi-mainstream You mean, never. > somebody in our neighborhood went door to door and gave every house a copy of Loose Change. And this connects to my argument... how exactly? I was talking about specifically the Internet.
buboard 8y ago
theoretically cryptos may solve the payments part one day. CDN and certificates are not requirements (yet). DNS remains one sore point of centralization for the internet. > Because this one is fresh out of freedom. Let's not be so pessimistic, but instead marvel at the how cool it is that the internet was built from the get-go to be decentralized
- ghthor 8y ago
  DNS replacement is one of the most practical applications of the blockchain database. What database would you have on nearly EVERY machine ever, a name=>ip mapping fits that niche really well. ENS is going to do major work here.

by smsm42 8y ago

chowells 8y ago

What part of "anyone can force you to do business with them" sounds like freedom to you? Don't payment vendors and hosting platforms have freedom? Part of freedom is the responsibility to accept consequences of your actions. If you choose to say such vile things that people quit doing business with you, that's just people exercising their freedom. If you think it's unfair, you are valuing your freedom higher than everyone else's. When you complain about "deplatforming" you aren't asking for more freedom. You're asking for the freedom of others to be removed.

fvdessen 8y ago
Do you support the freedom to deplatform practicing Jews as well ?
blfr 8y ago
I'm not all that concerned with monopolists' and near monopolists' freedoms to be honest. VISA isn't some family-run corner store.
smsm42 8y ago
> What part of "anyone can force you to do business with them" sounds like freedom to you? The part where activist mobs can force you not to do business with people targeted by the mobs. > Part of freedom is the responsibility to accept consequences of your actions. That's a meaningless platitude - being personally destroyed or run out of business merely because somebody set a hate mob on you is not "consequences of your actions". This is creating climate of hate and intolerance, and that's in substantial the climate we're living in now. Some time ago, it was "if you don't like it - don't read it". Now it's "if you don't like it - destroy his life, his business, and anybody he is associated and does business with". Describing it as "accept consequences" is either extremely naive or disingenuous. I certainly do not want and will not accept such climate of permanent war as something proper. > You're asking for the freedom of others to be removed. No I did not. My comments are just above that, and anybody reading them can clearly see I have not asked for any freedoms to be removed. If you're going to distort my opinions, it's probably not smart to do it right next to it - too obvious.

spookthesunset 8y ago

> then you'd better build your own Internet. Because this one is fresh out of freedom Nobody stole your freedom. People just don't want to interact with you. That is okay though, it is their right to elect to avoid interaction. Why not just mail out a DVD of all these wacko videos to subscribers instead? Back when 9/11 conspiracies were still quasi-mainstream, somebody in our neighborhood went door to door and gave every house a copy of Loose Change.

shard972 8y ago
> Why not just mail out a DVD of all these wacko videos to subscribers instead? Because he wants to talk on the internet? Is that not allowed anymore because you don't like it?
smsm42 8y ago
> Why not just mail out a DVD So your counter-argument to my argument that Internet freedoms are being destroyed is "well, you can still mail out DVDs"? Are you sure it's the strongest counter-argument you could master? In fact, how long did you work on it before considering it's a counter-argument at all? Because for me it certainly looks like confirming my point. > Back when 9/11 conspiracies were still quasi-mainstream You mean, never. > somebody in our neighborhood went door to door and gave every house a copy of Loose Change. And this connects to my argument... how exactly? I was talking about specifically the Internet.

buboard 8y ago

theoretically cryptos may solve the payments part one day. CDN and certificates are not requirements (yet). DNS remains one sore point of centralization for the internet. > Because this one is fresh out of freedom. Let's not be so pessimistic, but instead marvel at the how cool it is that the internet was built from the get-go to be decentralized

ghthor 8y ago
DNS replacement is one of the most practical applications of the blockchain database. What database would you have on nearly EVERY machine ever, a name=>ip mapping fits that niche really well. ENS is going to do major work here.