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No it doesn’t. Free speech means allowing nazis to express themselves so you and others can understand nazism. If you’re genuinely interested in understanding

No it doesn’t. Free speech means allowing nazis to express themselves so you and others can understand nazism. If you’re genuinely interested in understanding the principle of free speech, I recommend this as an introduction: https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/freedom-speech/ https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/freedom-speech/

jarfil 8y ago
Yes it does. Free speech means not stopping Nazis from expressing themselves, it doesn't mean you have to help them express themselves. If you want to express something I don't like, then I'm not gonna try to silence you, but other than that you're on your own.
- ComputerGuru 8y ago
  > Yes it does. Free speech means not stopping Nazis from expressing themselves, it doesn't mean you have to help them express themselves. I'm sorry, but I don't see where @dmerfield says what you are arguing against. Quoting @dmerfild for posterity: > No it doesn’t. Free speech means allowing nazis to express themselves so you and others can understand nazism. --- Interestingly, in most of Europe, "Free Speech" does not include this right. It is pretty uniquely American.
  - jarfil 8y ago
    Let's also quote @empath75 which @dmerfild is answering to: > Free speech means no one is forced to do business with nazis.
  - jstanley 8y ago
    Right, but the "Ministry of Truth" isn't about truth either. Actual free speech would, quite obviously, not depend on the content of the speech.
- AnaniasAnanas 8y ago
  > Yes it does No it does not. The principle of free speech says nothing about who you are forced to do or not do business with. It only affects expression after all.
  - jarfil 8y ago
    So you agree.
    - AnaniasAnanas 8y ago
      I do not agree with "Yes it does" (and thus that "Free speech means no one is forced to do business with nazis"), I agree with the rest however (which is basically the same as what dmerfield said).
- kingofhdds 8y ago
  In general, you are right (excluding the usage of word "Nazi"): private entity can deny services to other entity. However, in legal practice there are exceptions to to the rule, e.g. when the entity which denies is a monopoly (even locally defined), or services are too essential. I'm not in position to decide if it applies to the situation described, but worth keeping in mind that there are limits.
  - otterley 8y ago
    There are no common carriers on the Internet at Layer 7 AFAIK.

jarfil 8y ago

Yes it does. Free speech means not stopping Nazis from expressing themselves, it doesn't mean you have to help them express themselves. If you want to express something I don't like, then I'm not gonna try to silence you, but other than that you're on your own.

ComputerGuru 8y ago
> Yes it does. Free speech means not stopping Nazis from expressing themselves, it doesn't mean you have to help them express themselves. I'm sorry, but I don't see where @dmerfield says what you are arguing against. Quoting @dmerfild for posterity: > No it doesn’t. Free speech means allowing nazis to express themselves so you and others can understand nazism. --- Interestingly, in most of Europe, "Free Speech" does not include this right. It is pretty uniquely American.
- jarfil 8y ago
  Let's also quote @empath75 which @dmerfild is answering to: > Free speech means no one is forced to do business with nazis.
- jstanley 8y ago
  Right, but the "Ministry of Truth" isn't about truth either. Actual free speech would, quite obviously, not depend on the content of the speech.
AnaniasAnanas 8y ago
> Yes it does No it does not. The principle of free speech says nothing about who you are forced to do or not do business with. It only affects expression after all.
- jarfil 8y ago
  So you agree.
  - AnaniasAnanas 8y ago
    I do not agree with "Yes it does" (and thus that "Free speech means no one is forced to do business with nazis"), I agree with the rest however (which is basically the same as what dmerfield said).
kingofhdds 8y ago
In general, you are right (excluding the usage of word "Nazi"): private entity can deny services to other entity. However, in legal practice there are exceptions to to the rule, e.g. when the entity which denies is a monopoly (even locally defined), or services are too essential. I'm not in position to decide if it applies to the situation described, but worth keeping in mind that there are limits.
- otterley 8y ago
  There are no common carriers on the Internet at Layer 7 AFAIK.