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I think he means people who live outside inner London and commute in? I agree that many of those folks will still be taking public transit, but it's mostly the

I think he means people who live outside inner London and commute in? I agree that many of those folks will still be taking public transit, but it's mostly the wealthy will actually live there, no? (I have no local knowledge.)

esotericn 8y ago
"Many" is an understatement. People do not drive cars in to their jobs in Central London. It's just not done. Not even CEOs. The vast, vast, vast majority of people take public transport in because it's completely impractical to drive and not for cost reasons. I would be completely unsurprised if there were less than 1 parking spot per _building_ inside the inner ring road. Wander about, find a big, multimillion suburban house in Zone 3. You may well see a fancy car. That fancy car barely ever sees the inside of London. It's for the country jaunt, the holiday, the supermarket run.
- TheCoelacanth 8y ago
  That's demonstrably false if you look at the sheer volume of cars driving through Central London. This[1] suggests that about 25% of commuters arrive by car. [1] https://londontransportdata.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/weekday-morning-peak-travel-into-central-london-road-traffic-only.png https://londontransportdata.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/week...
  - Brakenshire 8y ago
    No, that is non rail. Rail is 80% (it is the chart above this one where you cut it out of the article) so car is 25% of 20%, i.e. 5%.
  - esotericn 8y ago
    Er, that shows that 25% of road users are cars. I haven't seen trains on roads much. Perhaps in Croydon.
Brakenshire 8y ago
Inner London is a large area, it’s not just the city core, it has a population of 3.5m. It’s mixed, there are poor areas of Inner London and rich areas of Outer London. Traditionally Outer London was where professional families lived, along the suburban rail lines. Most employment is in the core of the city (Central London), which is where the charge currently applies. People commuting there overwhelmingly use public transport, across all classes. Parking costs £30 a day. Also, by the time the charge applies to Inner London (2021), the minimum standard for petrol cars will be Euro 4, which at that point will be 16 years old. Households at in income level to be operating a 17 year old car would be priced out of car ownership in London by other factors, and would be using the bus, the trains or the tube.

esotericn 8y ago

"Many" is an understatement. People do not drive cars in to their jobs in Central London. It's just not done. Not even CEOs. The vast, vast, vast majority of people take public transport in because it's completely impractical to drive and not for cost reasons. I would be completely unsurprised if there were less than 1 parking spot per _building_ inside the inner ring road. Wander about, find a big, multimillion suburban house in Zone 3. You may well see a fancy car. That fancy car barely ever sees the inside of London. It's for the country jaunt, the holiday, the supermarket run.

TheCoelacanth 8y ago
That's demonstrably false if you look at the sheer volume of cars driving through Central London. This[1] suggests that about 25% of commuters arrive by car. [1] https://londontransportdata.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/weekday-morning-peak-travel-into-central-london-road-traffic-only.png https://londontransportdata.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/week...
- Brakenshire 8y ago
  No, that is non rail. Rail is 80% (it is the chart above this one where you cut it out of the article) so car is 25% of 20%, i.e. 5%.
- esotericn 8y ago
  Er, that shows that 25% of road users are cars. I haven't seen trains on roads much. Perhaps in Croydon.

Brakenshire 8y ago

Inner London is a large area, it’s not just the city core, it has a population of 3.5m. It’s mixed, there are poor areas of Inner London and rich areas of Outer London. Traditionally Outer London was where professional families lived, along the suburban rail lines. Most employment is in the core of the city (Central London), which is where the charge currently applies. People commuting there overwhelmingly use public transport, across all classes. Parking costs £30 a day. Also, by the time the charge applies to Inner London (2021), the minimum standard for petrol cars will be Euro 4, which at that point will be 16 years old. Households at in income level to be operating a 17 year old car would be priced out of car ownership in London by other factors, and would be using the bus, the trains or the tube.