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> If you visit stuff on the web, you respect the concept of a social contract between you and the provide. If I send a site an http GET request, and that site

> If you visit stuff on the web, you respect the concept of a social contract between you and the provide. If I send a site an http GET request, and that site responds by giving me some data, then that site has given me implied consent to look at the data. If they don't want me to look at it, they shouldn't have given me it.

kjsthree 8y ago
^ THIS! I don’t see how the situation is in any way more complicated. Real-world analogies can get pretty squirrelly but it would be quite literally like the following. Man standing on the sidewalk outside a store yells into the store at the shopkeeper “hey there, can I have some free fish?” Shopkeeper yells back “sure!” and tosses a fish to the man on the sidewalk. Add more yelling back and forth for TLS handshake. At this point, the man on the sidewalk can do whatever he wants with the fish. It was freely given.
- Mirioron 8y ago
  Off topic: isn't this how user privacy works too though? People complain about companies like Google and Facebook "stealing their data," but it's their browsers sending out the data. If users don't want Google to have the data then they shouldn't send it to Google.
  - ric2b 8y ago
    Yes it is, and that's why several browsers have been working hard to protect user privacy without impacting convenience too much.
  - brokenmachine 8y ago
    This could have implications for Google. Basically this example, if accepted in law, would mean that if you want your data to be private then Google would be expected to respect that, even if you sent them that data in the clear. It's a ridiculous outcome.
Angostura 8y ago
I walk into a shop, the shop keeper holds the door open for me. I place an article in my pocket and leave without paying. Presumably, there's implied consent for me to to that? yes?
- cabalamat 8y ago
  > I place an article in my pocket and leave without paying. The analogy would be if the shopkeeper (i.e. web server) picks up an article and puts it in your pocket.

kjsthree 8y ago

^ THIS! I don’t see how the situation is in any way more complicated. Real-world analogies can get pretty squirrelly but it would be quite literally like the following. Man standing on the sidewalk outside a store yells into the store at the shopkeeper “hey there, can I have some free fish?” Shopkeeper yells back “sure!” and tosses a fish to the man on the sidewalk. Add more yelling back and forth for TLS handshake. At this point, the man on the sidewalk can do whatever he wants with the fish. It was freely given.

Mirioron 8y ago
Off topic: isn't this how user privacy works too though? People complain about companies like Google and Facebook "stealing their data," but it's their browsers sending out the data. If users don't want Google to have the data then they shouldn't send it to Google.
- ric2b 8y ago
  Yes it is, and that's why several browsers have been working hard to protect user privacy without impacting convenience too much.
- brokenmachine 8y ago
  This could have implications for Google. Basically this example, if accepted in law, would mean that if you want your data to be private then Google would be expected to respect that, even if you sent them that data in the clear. It's a ridiculous outcome.

Angostura 8y ago

I walk into a shop, the shop keeper holds the door open for me. I place an article in my pocket and leave without paying. Presumably, there's implied consent for me to to that? yes?

cabalamat 8y ago
> I place an article in my pocket and leave without paying. The analogy would be if the shopkeeper (i.e. web server) picks up an article and puts it in your pocket.