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Isn't this similar to the variable ban that's been in Paris for the past year or so? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crit%27air https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crit

Isn't this similar to the variable ban that's been in Paris for the past year or so? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crit%27air https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crit%27air

tinco 8y ago
Yes, Amsterdam also has it. No diesels from before 2001 I think is the rule. It's going to be implemented in other cities in NL as well. My dad got kind of screwed because he converted an old van into a camper, for traveling around, and now he won't be able to use it to get into cities anymore. Of course it is objectively a good thing, especially when they implement the export restrictions so they won't all simply be offloaded to Africa.
- mercer 8y ago
  It's already implemented in at least on other city (Utrecht), but only for the city center. As a diesel owner, it's a minor inconvenience whenever I visit the town. Most people I know live outside the zone.
- Symbiote 8y ago
  There's an index to all the European cities with similar restrictions on http://urbanaccessregulations.eu/ http://urbanaccessregulations.eu/
- pxtail 8y ago
  > Of course it is objectively a good thing, especially when they implement the export restrictions so they won't all simply be offloaded to Africa. Why export restrictions (especially to Africa) is a good thing? I think that it is quite opposite: * from looking at basic car sales statistics EV are basically non-existent in Africa, there is no infrastructure etc. (apart from fact that almost nobody could afford them) * 2000-ish cars are usually quite simple to repair, no advanced electronic etc. * producing new car probably will waste more resources and emit more pollution than using and repairing old one
kweks 8y ago
And yet inexplicably 2 stroke scooters / bikes are still legal, which contribute the most air and noise pollution. Still can't wrap my head around that.
- briandear 8y ago
  Those 2-strokes are a menace. That they didn’t ban those demonstrates that the Paris “ban” is just political posturing rather than a desire for actual improvements. Not only are 2-strokes heavy polluters, they are the noisiest vehicles on the street.
  - walshemj 8y ago
    I thought they where all banned in the EU for several years now certainly the last vespa 2 stroke was seems to have been made in 2005.
    - lstodd 8y ago
      Well, you know, my vespa 50s from 1972 is still almost as good as new. 1990s 50cc japanese scooters are indestructible, esp. Hondas, as are later, early-2000s Yamaha/MBK 100cc models. They are not going anywhere until there appears a 80 kg, 12" wheel electric model that can go 100km on a single charge and carry two people at a cruise speed of 70-80 km/h. And charge from zero in at most 15 minutes. I love the smell of burning 2T oil in the morning.
      - dzhiurgis 8y ago
        > They are not going anywhere until there appears ... Check NIU, they are getting close.
      - walshemj 8y ago
        But your probably a scoterist who lovingly maintains and restores classic Vespa's and Lambrettas and only rides them in good weather. I believe the expensive version on the electric vespa can do 100km
antpls 8y ago
Worst than particle pollution on a day-to-day basis is the noise pollution. Big/Sport motor bikes and car horns should really be regulated inside cities, they make everything more stressful. They installed a new sound on public buses, which sounds like a nice old bell and is less noisy than the usual car horn. It should exist on all cars. Seriously, no one gives a f* than someone is stuck in traffic, and yet it alerts everyone on a 200 meters radius, which is many people in a city's density.

Isn't this similar to the variable ban that's been in Paris for the past year or so? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crit%27air https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crit%27air

tinco 8y ago

Yes, Amsterdam also has it. No diesels from before 2001 I think is the rule. It's going to be implemented in other cities in NL as well. My dad got kind of screwed because he converted an old van into a camper, for traveling around, and now he won't be able to use it to get into cities anymore. Of course it is objectively a good thing, especially when they implement the export restrictions so they won't all simply be offloaded to Africa.

mercer 8y ago
It's already implemented in at least on other city (Utrecht), but only for the city center. As a diesel owner, it's a minor inconvenience whenever I visit the town. Most people I know live outside the zone.
Symbiote 8y ago
There's an index to all the European cities with similar restrictions on http://urbanaccessregulations.eu/ http://urbanaccessregulations.eu/
pxtail 8y ago
> Of course it is objectively a good thing, especially when they implement the export restrictions so they won't all simply be offloaded to Africa. Why export restrictions (especially to Africa) is a good thing? I think that it is quite opposite: * from looking at basic car sales statistics EV are basically non-existent in Africa, there is no infrastructure etc. (apart from fact that almost nobody could afford them) * 2000-ish cars are usually quite simple to repair, no advanced electronic etc. * producing new car probably will waste more resources and emit more pollution than using and repairing old one

kweks 8y ago

And yet inexplicably 2 stroke scooters / bikes are still legal, which contribute the most air and noise pollution. Still can't wrap my head around that.

briandear 8y ago
Those 2-strokes are a menace. That they didn’t ban those demonstrates that the Paris “ban” is just political posturing rather than a desire for actual improvements. Not only are 2-strokes heavy polluters, they are the noisiest vehicles on the street.
- walshemj 8y ago
  I thought they where all banned in the EU for several years now certainly the last vespa 2 stroke was seems to have been made in 2005.
  - lstodd 8y ago
    Well, you know, my vespa 50s from 1972 is still almost as good as new. 1990s 50cc japanese scooters are indestructible, esp. Hondas, as are later, early-2000s Yamaha/MBK 100cc models. They are not going anywhere until there appears a 80 kg, 12" wheel electric model that can go 100km on a single charge and carry two people at a cruise speed of 70-80 km/h. And charge from zero in at most 15 minutes. I love the smell of burning 2T oil in the morning.
    - dzhiurgis 8y ago
      > They are not going anywhere until there appears ... Check NIU, they are getting close.
    - walshemj 8y ago
      But your probably a scoterist who lovingly maintains and restores classic Vespa's and Lambrettas and only rides them in good weather. I believe the expensive version on the electric vespa can do 100km

antpls 8y ago

Worst than particle pollution on a day-to-day basis is the noise pollution. Big/Sport motor bikes and car horns should really be regulated inside cities, they make everything more stressful. They installed a new sound on public buses, which sounds like a nice old bell and is less noisy than the usual car horn. It should exist on all cars. Seriously, no one gives a f* than someone is stuck in traffic, and yet it alerts everyone on a 200 meters radius, which is many people in a city's density.