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Just a tangent for you all - does anyone envisage a 2nd parallel internet emerging? Not tor-like, an actual completely separate network?

betterunix2 8y ago
Eric Schmidt suggested this might happen in the future: https://www.cnbc.com/2018/09/20/eric-schmidt-ex-google-ceo-predicts-internet-split-china.html https://www.cnbc.com/2018/09/20/eric-schmidt-ex-google-ceo-p...
woah 8y ago
That’s quite a huge tangent. Why? And what could it possibly have to do with the article?
- realthing 8y ago
  Huge tangent indeed. If only someone would open a thread or mailing list to discuss the idea . . . The harrowing thing is, it really does look as though we were / are in the wild west days of internet comms. The more tech savy business and corporations have become, the more they have looked to monetize and lock down the web. This is not what it was supposed to be.
- daveFNbuck 8y ago
  It seems very related to me. This is another thing we're no longer allowed to do on the current internet. Maybe people enough people would rather build a new internet than pay for digital goods.
DC-3 8y ago
Possibly in the form of a very strict, very semantic, almost RSS-like subset of HTML? Something that almost resembles the reader view many modern browsers will convert articles into?
- realthing 8y ago
  One would imagine this has far less to do with data rendering and more data indexing and filtering (web-crawling access). If you read the link, Schmidts comments related to the bifurcation of the internet, he gives a simple example of two separate internets - version "USA" and version "China". It seems in this scenario, the single source of truth for all web data is sandboxed to protect a nations (or the nations citizens) best interests (akin to modern day China, Iran). The new web would look to live in the shadows, where users can submit and view pre-filtered ideas without meddling from gatekeeps (government officials and money men) The issue with this is data access and the sharing of information becomes limited to those with the "know how"( we are all tech literate these days), or more likely, those with the balls to commit a "crime" and disobey the permissions of "their government". This presents an almost dystopian like scenario where people are afraid to share and receive information their government has not green lighted.
- yjftsjthsd-h 8y ago
  Gopher? Everything old is new again:)
visarga 8y ago
> does anyone envisage a 2nd parallel internet emerging Sorry to break the news to you but it already has, and it is called Facebook. Didn't turn out as we expected. Maybe third time's a charm?
tonyedgecombe 8y ago
One without JavaScript, what a dream that is.
MrsPeaches 8y ago
One I remember is MaidSafe: https://maidsafe.net/ https://maidsafe.net/ There is a website out there that has interviews with about a dozen people who are working on alternative ways of doing the internet. Shallow google isn't throwing anything up I'm afraid. Edit: Not quite what I thought I remembered but here it is anyway: https://redecentralize.org/interviews/ https://redecentralize.org/interviews/
type0 8y ago
I do, for sure China is already planning this.

betterunix2 8y ago

Eric Schmidt suggested this might happen in the future: https://www.cnbc.com/2018/09/20/eric-schmidt-ex-google-ceo-predicts-internet-split-china.html https://www.cnbc.com/2018/09/20/eric-schmidt-ex-google-ceo-p...

woah 8y ago

That’s quite a huge tangent. Why? And what could it possibly have to do with the article?

realthing 8y ago
Huge tangent indeed. If only someone would open a thread or mailing list to discuss the idea . . . The harrowing thing is, it really does look as though we were / are in the wild west days of internet comms. The more tech savy business and corporations have become, the more they have looked to monetize and lock down the web. This is not what it was supposed to be.
daveFNbuck 8y ago
It seems very related to me. This is another thing we're no longer allowed to do on the current internet. Maybe people enough people would rather build a new internet than pay for digital goods.

DC-3 8y ago

Possibly in the form of a very strict, very semantic, almost RSS-like subset of HTML? Something that almost resembles the reader view many modern browsers will convert articles into?

realthing 8y ago
One would imagine this has far less to do with data rendering and more data indexing and filtering (web-crawling access). If you read the link, Schmidts comments related to the bifurcation of the internet, he gives a simple example of two separate internets - version "USA" and version "China". It seems in this scenario, the single source of truth for all web data is sandboxed to protect a nations (or the nations citizens) best interests (akin to modern day China, Iran). The new web would look to live in the shadows, where users can submit and view pre-filtered ideas without meddling from gatekeeps (government officials and money men) The issue with this is data access and the sharing of information becomes limited to those with the "know how"( we are all tech literate these days), or more likely, those with the balls to commit a "crime" and disobey the permissions of "their government". This presents an almost dystopian like scenario where people are afraid to share and receive information their government has not green lighted.
yjftsjthsd-h 8y ago
Gopher? Everything old is new again:)

visarga 8y ago

> does anyone envisage a 2nd parallel internet emerging Sorry to break the news to you but it already has, and it is called Facebook. Didn't turn out as we expected. Maybe third time's a charm?

tonyedgecombe 8y ago

One without JavaScript, what a dream that is.

MrsPeaches 8y ago

One I remember is MaidSafe: https://maidsafe.net/ https://maidsafe.net/ There is a website out there that has interviews with about a dozen people who are working on alternative ways of doing the internet. Shallow google isn't throwing anything up I'm afraid. Edit: Not quite what I thought I remembered but here it is anyway: https://redecentralize.org/interviews/ https://redecentralize.org/interviews/

type0 8y ago

I do, for sure China is already planning this.