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I think you've missed something here - the emissions bands are based on, well, emissions. (I used years, but it's not model year, it's Euro emissions standards,

I think you've missed something here - the emissions bands are based on, well, emissions. (I used years, but it's not model year, it's Euro emissions standards, which happen to track model year fairly closely (hence the ~)). A clean car will be allowed in free. A dirty car will have to pay. A new Lambo is Euro 6, just as a new city car would be. It's not about fuel efficiency but particulate emissions, i.e. stuff people breathe in that's bad for them. If it's the 'pay for it' aspect you're bothered about - eh. I like the idea that if I want, I can pay to drive in the city. Most of the time I won't, but if my Grandma comes to visit, we'll use my car.

andrepd 8y ago
>the emissions bands are based on, well, emissions. (I used years, but it's not model year, it's Euro emissions standards, which happen to track model year fairly closely (hence the ~)) Ah, gotcha. I didn't realise that, thanks.
roel_v 8y ago
Is a Lamborghini euro6? I don't think they are, I don't see how they could be, and the data I can find says they're not (but I could only find Dutch energy standards, where a 2017 Aventador is class g, which is the worst there is). This doesn't take away from ypur point, I'm just saying that real performance cars don't compete on emissions, and subsequently will be affected by all these bans (eg in Belgium when road tax eas changes to reflect emissions 6 years ago, performance cars became significantly more expensive, while some suvs (like my x3 :) ) became significantly cheaper)
- master-lincoln 8y ago
  energy standards != emission standards Apparently the current models Huracáne and Aventador are Euro6 according to their website. E.g. https://www.lamborghini.com/en-en/models/huracan/huracan-performante-spyder https://www.lamborghini.com/en-en/models/huracan/huracan-per...
  - roel_v 8y ago
    Oh TIL, I had a completely wrong mental image of what euro6 actually means, thank you.
- Brakenshire 8y ago
  All cars built 2014 or later are Euro 6, which is the standard for diesel, after the earlier cars were caught cheating. All cars built 2004 or later are Euro 4, which is the standard for petrol cars. These are increasing strict emissions standards for maximum quantity of various pollutants.

andrepd 8y ago

>the emissions bands are based on, well, emissions. (I used years, but it's not model year, it's Euro emissions standards, which happen to track model year fairly closely (hence the ~)) Ah, gotcha. I didn't realise that, thanks.

roel_v 8y ago

Is a Lamborghini euro6? I don't think they are, I don't see how they could be, and the data I can find says they're not (but I could only find Dutch energy standards, where a 2017 Aventador is class g, which is the worst there is). This doesn't take away from ypur point, I'm just saying that real performance cars don't compete on emissions, and subsequently will be affected by all these bans (eg in Belgium when road tax eas changes to reflect emissions 6 years ago, performance cars became significantly more expensive, while some suvs (like my x3 :) ) became significantly cheaper)

master-lincoln 8y ago
energy standards != emission standards Apparently the current models Huracáne and Aventador are Euro6 according to their website. E.g. https://www.lamborghini.com/en-en/models/huracan/huracan-performante-spyder https://www.lamborghini.com/en-en/models/huracan/huracan-per...
- roel_v 8y ago
  Oh TIL, I had a completely wrong mental image of what euro6 actually means, thank you.
Brakenshire 8y ago
All cars built 2014 or later are Euro 6, which is the standard for diesel, after the earlier cars were caught cheating. All cars built 2004 or later are Euro 4, which is the standard for petrol cars. These are increasing strict emissions standards for maximum quantity of various pollutants.