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MacOS is anything but a buggy mess. I use it for 12-16 hours a day, every day, and have encountered literally zero bugs in the past 7 years. If you don't cons

MacOS is anything but a buggy mess. I use it for 12-16 hours a day, every day, and have encountered literally zero bugs in the past 7 years. If you don't consider your OS a separate hobby unto itself, MacOS wins against Linux desktops, easily.

smt88 8y ago
Your experience may differ, but I'm not alone[1] in my opinion that MacOS quality control has been terrible for years. 1. https://www.cultofmac.com/522627/yet-another-crazy-bug-uncovered-macos-high-sierra/ https://www.cultofmac.com/522627/yet-another-crazy-bug-uncov...
- diminoten 8y ago
  Not being alone and being correct are entirely unrelated. Also, an OS having bugs and an OS being "terrible" are also entirely unrelated. Should I just link the bug trackers for each of the desktop environments available for Linux? Should I link the Linux kernel bug tracker (not that either such thing is actually fair)? You're flamebaiting more OS wars, and honestly I'm pretty sure that's explicitly disallowed on HN, per the rules.
  - _Tev 8y ago
    > MacOS is, by far the best generic developer OS. > You're flamebaiting more OS wars, and honestly I'm pretty sure that's explicitly disallowed on HN, per the rules. ... ok.
    - diminoten 8y ago
      Stating a fact isn't flamebaiting.
      - _Tev 8y ago
        > MacOS is, by far the best generic developer OS. > Stating a fact Not sure if serious. Like, really - do you not realize how biased you sound? Or rather - how _few_ people will agree with you, making the "statement of fact" pure flamebait?
        diminoten 8y ago
        It's not pure flamebait, it's indisputably factual that MacOS desktop environment is miles ahead of any other desktop environment on Linux currently.
sershe 8y ago
Well, I've just left a company where I have been using Mac OS for 6 years. IT recommended that I don't use Linux because the drivers for the Mac hardware are supposedly buggy and slow... so I had to go on with Mac OS. I've never had so many problems with a computer since Windows 95, and it was consistent across two different model Macbooks. Being unable to hold on to the correct resolution on external display, problems with peripherals (e.g. not detecting a mouse until after a reboot or taking out/putting in Apple mouse batteries), every upgrade of the OS breaking something or requiring re-installs (XCode, etc.), grey screens of death, Terminal crashing(!), mic stopping and needing one to kill the audio driver to work again (that hit many people, hilarious in meeting), insane memory usage (on a 4Gb laptop it's simply impossible to do work because it's swapping pretty much half the time... compared to Windows 7 that is slow but serviceable on 2Gb with similar workload; 16Gb laptop was better), VPN mysteriously dying (works after reboot), GPU driver hanging and causing a reboot ("relaunching WindowServer"), slow boot time compared to a Windows laptop from like 2014, and many more issues. Some issues with memory and scheduler that I looked for in-depth explanations of, I was thinking "is it really possible to f-up Unix so badly? You need some sort of a special talent." And almost every time I'd go online and there are tons of people having the same problem for years with no resolution, just like Windows 95. When I started using it, I'd say "lol just like Windows" on every glitch, nowadays when something wrong/slow happens on Windows I say "lol like a Mac" Oh, also - needing 3rd party software for simple things like setting high-enough mouse sensitivity, window maximization that is not idiotic on multiple monitors, window snapping, or system-wide equalizer. Really I found the only good thing about Mac OS is a terminal (that is until Terminal app started crashing after some update, taking all my tabs with it - a known bug months ago, still not fixed). But then in Windows I set up ConEMU + MinGW64 for only slightly inferior experience, in like an hour including research.
- diminoten 8y ago
  The fact that you're talking about Terminal and not iTerm makes this whole story very suspect, or at least puts you into a category of "people who never really tried to get the most out of their MacOS experience". In any event, thanks for your anecdote.
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smt88 8y ago

Your experience may differ, but I'm not alone[1] in my opinion that MacOS quality control has been terrible for years. 1. https://www.cultofmac.com/522627/yet-another-crazy-bug-uncovered-macos-high-sierra/ https://www.cultofmac.com/522627/yet-another-crazy-bug-uncov...

diminoten 8y ago
Not being alone and being correct are entirely unrelated. Also, an OS having bugs and an OS being "terrible" are also entirely unrelated. Should I just link the bug trackers for each of the desktop environments available for Linux? Should I link the Linux kernel bug tracker (not that either such thing is actually fair)? You're flamebaiting more OS wars, and honestly I'm pretty sure that's explicitly disallowed on HN, per the rules.
- _Tev 8y ago
  > MacOS is, by far the best generic developer OS. > You're flamebaiting more OS wars, and honestly I'm pretty sure that's explicitly disallowed on HN, per the rules. ... ok.
  - diminoten 8y ago
    Stating a fact isn't flamebaiting.
    - _Tev 8y ago
      > MacOS is, by far the best generic developer OS. > Stating a fact Not sure if serious. Like, really - do you not realize how biased you sound? Or rather - how _few_ people will agree with you, making the "statement of fact" pure flamebait?
      - diminoten 8y ago
        It's not pure flamebait, it's indisputably factual that MacOS desktop environment is miles ahead of any other desktop environment on Linux currently.

sershe 8y ago

Well, I've just left a company where I have been using Mac OS for 6 years. IT recommended that I don't use Linux because the drivers for the Mac hardware are supposedly buggy and slow... so I had to go on with Mac OS. I've never had so many problems with a computer since Windows 95, and it was consistent across two different model Macbooks. Being unable to hold on to the correct resolution on external display, problems with peripherals (e.g. not detecting a mouse until after a reboot or taking out/putting in Apple mouse batteries), every upgrade of the OS breaking something or requiring re-installs (XCode, etc.), grey screens of death, Terminal crashing(!), mic stopping and needing one to kill the audio driver to work again (that hit many people, hilarious in meeting), insane memory usage (on a 4Gb laptop it's simply impossible to do work because it's swapping pretty much half the time... compared to Windows 7 that is slow but serviceable on 2Gb with similar workload; 16Gb laptop was better), VPN mysteriously dying (works after reboot), GPU driver hanging and causing a reboot ("relaunching WindowServer"), slow boot time compared to a Windows laptop from like 2014, and many more issues. Some issues with memory and scheduler that I looked for in-depth explanations of, I was thinking "is it really possible to f-up Unix so badly? You need some sort of a special talent." And almost every time I'd go online and there are tons of people having the same problem for years with no resolution, just like Windows 95. When I started using it, I'd say "lol just like Windows" on every glitch, nowadays when something wrong/slow happens on Windows I say "lol like a Mac" Oh, also - needing 3rd party software for simple things like setting high-enough mouse sensitivity, window maximization that is not idiotic on multiple monitors, window snapping, or system-wide equalizer. Really I found the only good thing about Mac OS is a terminal (that is until Terminal app started crashing after some update, taking all my tabs with it - a known bug months ago, still not fixed). But then in Windows I set up ConEMU + MinGW64 for only slightly inferior experience, in like an hour including research.

diminoten 8y ago
The fact that you're talking about Terminal and not iTerm makes this whole story very suspect, or at least puts you into a category of "people who never really tried to get the most out of their MacOS experience". In any event, thanks for your anecdote.
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