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A lot of fearmongering here, drug manufacturing & trafficking in small amounts is punishable by death in China, if you are making narcotics in China, you don't

A lot of fearmongering here, drug manufacturing & trafficking in small amounts is punishable by death in China, if you are making narcotics in China, you don't fear the Chinese govt or the Chinese army and you basically have nothing to lose. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_drug_trade_in_China https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_drug_trade_in_China It's like saying you're gonna stop all the drug dealers in US to stop selling drugs, its very hard for China to stop all narcotics. Heres an official report by the US-China Economic & Security Review Commission on Chinese Fentanyl Production: https://www.uscc.gov/sites/default/files/Research/USCC%20Staff%20Report_Fentanyl-China%E2%80%99s%20Deadly%20Export%20to%20the%20United%20States020117.pdf https://www.uscc.gov/sites/default/files/Research/USCC%20Sta... and I quote: "China is a global source of illicit fentanyl and other NPS because the country’s vast chemical and pharmaceutical industries are weakly regulated and poorly monitored...Chinese law enforcement and drug investigators are unable to effectively regulate the high volume of drugs and chemicals the country produces.In many cases, the chemicals used to produce fentanyl and fentanyl-like products are illegally diverted from legitimate pharmaceutical uses, with criminals taking advantage of inadequate enforcement protocols to produce unregulated chemicals and NPS. Until 2014, a regulatory loophole allowed Chinese chemical companies to operate in a gray area of oversight, freeing them from inspection requirements and other certification systems. That loophole was closed in 2014 when China’s State Administration of Work Safety implemented new regulations on chemical production to improve management of nonpharmaceutical businesses, including enforcing stricter licensing requirements. Even under the new regulations, Chinese pharmaceutical and chemical companies continue to divert chemicals from legitimate pharmaceutical uses and adulterate legitimate pharmaceuticals during production.This makes drug enforcement within China difficult, as many manufacturers of fentanyl and other NPS are legitimate companies legally producing chemicals. Although some of these chemical manufacturers knowingly ship their products to the United States for illicit purposes, Chinese chemical and pharmaceutical exporters continue to operate with little oversight" Do not get me wrong, I've seen the impact of Fentanyl and I want China to step up on crushing its production.

stevenjohns 8y ago
It's closer to outright jingoistic hatred than fearmongering. People have managed to convince themselves that it's a Chinese government plot with conspiracy theories being upvoted left and right. It's actually a pretty good example of situations where the fringe right and fringe left come together and hold hands.
- refurb 8y ago
  The conspiracy theories are pretty ridiculous. However, the fact that fentanyl wasn’t illegal in China until recently and mail shipped from China is cheap, really opened up the flood gates until the authorities cracked down.
onetimemanytime 8y ago
>>if you are making narcotics in China, you don't fear the Chinese govt or the Chinese army and you basically have nothing to lose. In the west you need legally accepted proofs, lawyers and all. See El Chapo, no matter what he is, his trial will last for MONTHS and appeals for years. All to prove that he did deal drugs to USA. Now China skips a few things in the legal process and if they want they can assign 100,000-150,000 police officers to do a blitz and do serious damage to drug dealers.
refurb 8y ago
To add an anecdote about Chinese chemical industry. When I was working in a lab, wed often purchase chemicals from China as their prices were quite good, if less reliable quality or delivery timing. Many times we’d order something that was very hard to make only to have the company come back two months later with “sorry we can’t make it”. They never actually had it on their shelves. Anyways, I ordered a small quantity of a chemical and normally they are shipped as hazardous materials, specially packed with all the necessary forms filled out. Well this order arrived in my mail box (?!) as an unmarked package. I opened it and there was a small vial wrapped in what looked like old clothing. No customs declarations or anything!
sintaxi 8y ago
The Fentanyl epidemic is a deliberate attack on North America from the Chinese Government. You don't fear the Chinese Government when you ARE the Chinese Government.
psychonot 8y ago
I guess this is payback for the 1800s opium epidemic in China

stevenjohns 8y ago

It's closer to outright jingoistic hatred than fearmongering. People have managed to convince themselves that it's a Chinese government plot with conspiracy theories being upvoted left and right. It's actually a pretty good example of situations where the fringe right and fringe left come together and hold hands.

refurb 8y ago
The conspiracy theories are pretty ridiculous. However, the fact that fentanyl wasn’t illegal in China until recently and mail shipped from China is cheap, really opened up the flood gates until the authorities cracked down.

onetimemanytime 8y ago

>>if you are making narcotics in China, you don't fear the Chinese govt or the Chinese army and you basically have nothing to lose. In the west you need legally accepted proofs, lawyers and all. See El Chapo, no matter what he is, his trial will last for MONTHS and appeals for years. All to prove that he did deal drugs to USA. Now China skips a few things in the legal process and if they want they can assign 100,000-150,000 police officers to do a blitz and do serious damage to drug dealers.

refurb 8y ago

To add an anecdote about Chinese chemical industry. When I was working in a lab, wed often purchase chemicals from China as their prices were quite good, if less reliable quality or delivery timing. Many times we’d order something that was very hard to make only to have the company come back two months later with “sorry we can’t make it”. They never actually had it on their shelves. Anyways, I ordered a small quantity of a chemical and normally they are shipped as hazardous materials, specially packed with all the necessary forms filled out. Well this order arrived in my mail box (?!) as an unmarked package. I opened it and there was a small vial wrapped in what looked like old clothing. No customs declarations or anything!

sintaxi 8y ago

The Fentanyl epidemic is a deliberate attack on North America from the Chinese Government. You don't fear the Chinese Government when you ARE the Chinese Government.

psychonot 8y ago

I guess this is payback for the 1800s opium epidemic in China