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China (to be clear, we are talking about the PRC/Jinping regime, not the Chinese people) is a menace to freedom and stability in the free world. They steal our

China (to be clear, we are talking about the PRC/Jinping regime, not the Chinese people) is a menace to freedom and stability in the free world. They steal our IP, infiltrate our companies, and place their population in concentration camps in the world's largest police state--meanwhile, our companies like Google and Microsoft continue to work hand in hand with the CCP regime to develop products customized to suit regime needs and rules. The map in this article should scare anyone who cares about a Soviet-style dictatorship taking over nearly every continent: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/11/18/world/asia/world-built-by-china.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/11/18/world/asia/wo...

DyslexicAtheist 8y ago
America (to be clear, we are talking about the US Trump/Bush/Clinton/Obama regime, not the American people) is a menace to freedom and stability in the whole world. They steal our oil, infiltrate our companies, and place children in cages, and their minority and poor population incarcerated. Suspects are held without being charged indefinitely at black prison sites and tortured. They are the world's largest police state--meanwhile, our companies continue to work hand in hand with the US/Trump regime to develop products customized to suit regime needs and rules.
- Para2016 8y ago
  This kind of rebuttal belongs on Yahoo news comments. It definitely decreases the value of HN comments overall.
- castratikron 8y ago
  It's invalid to criticize China policy because America does similar things? Is that what you're saying?
  - yholio 8y ago
    He is actually saying same things that were said about China, in the same words, but about US. It's a rhetorical move to force the interlocutors to change their perspective and examine their own prejudices. To me, both comments read like hateful propaganda rooted in prejudice.
- dang 8y ago
  You can't do this kind of flamewar on HN, and we ban accounts that won't stop, so please stop. Your account seems to have taken a heavy turn into using HN for political battle. That's not ok, and we ban accounts that do it. Please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and use the site as intended. The rest of the world may be radicalizing and polarizing, but HN's mandate hasn't changed and isn't going to, therefore we have to ban accounts that are destructive of it. First among those are the accounts seeking to use HN as a battlefield, which (if allowed to) would turn this place into scorched earth.
  - DebussysRevenge 8y ago
    >The rest of the world may be radicalizing and polarizing, but HN's mandate hasn't changed and isn't going to Lol, thank god we have Mr. Enlightened Centrist Gackle here to let us all know the truth is somewhere in the middle. It warms my heart to know in 20 years when the country HN is based in has devolved into a genocidal (well, moreso than usual) hellscape, you'll be right there with all the other luminaries of our age admonishing the masses of the dangers of associating with the far-left Strasserites.
    - dang 8y ago
      I'm not advocating centrism any more than a janitor saying "no food fights" advocates a diet.
  - DyslexicAtheist 8y ago
    alright Daniel. No problem. My point was to mirror the comment from OP and make him/her see how ridiculous and one-sided it sounds. But I agree it isn't constructive and I do understand your points. I'll promise to stop all comments that might be considered offensive or political (off-topic) regardless of how I might feel about it. And I'm sincerely sorry if I've hurt or upset anyone. I have witnessed the killing and burning of bodies from 120 Tamils in Sri Lanka, which went unreported in Western media. I have witnessed a guy stabbing another guy in the neck within a parang (coconut knife) as my first experience when globe-trotting (I just turned 19) during a religious dispute in Banda Aceh. I have seen dead bodies of Burmese fishermen while teaching an Open Water Scuba class in Thailand (they are used as slaves by the Thai and then thrown overboard). All this happened a long time ago but it has shaped me in a way that made me more angry. I'm not an academic and I'm not a native English speaker but nor am I an arm-chair philosopher. I do still suffer from PTSD of my experiences, but it's no excuse to make political comments here probably. Again this isn't an excuse for myself, but I hope it gives context on why I feel more strongly and said the things I did. I'm happy to continue lurking and promise to cut political motivated arguments out in future.
chriscappuccio 8y ago
It's getting harder and harder to tell the difference between fascism and communism these days.
jorblumesea 8y ago
China being China will almost certainly come back to haunt them without significant political reform (within China itself). It's great that someone is building infrastructure in these countries, but the cost is a totalitarian state with a few freedoms, enslaved by debt to their new colonial masters. This can easily be exploited by the West, similar to how the Soviet Union used US hegemony to start (and win) numerous cold war conflicts. China may never see any returns on that infrastructure when these countries inevitably switch sides in the new cold war.
dang 8y ago
Nationalistic flamewar is not welcome here, and we ban accounts that do it, so please don't do it. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- sintaxi 8y ago
  Please don't thought police. Extremely important and relevant points are being made. If this information/opinion can't be shared here where will this discussion happen?
  - dang 8y ago
    On a different forum with a different mandate. HN's is the gratification of intellectual curiosity (https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html), and flamewars are poison to that purpose.

DyslexicAtheist 8y ago

America (to be clear, we are talking about the US Trump/Bush/Clinton/Obama regime, not the American people) is a menace to freedom and stability in the whole world. They steal our oil, infiltrate our companies, and place children in cages, and their minority and poor population incarcerated. Suspects are held without being charged indefinitely at black prison sites and tortured. They are the world's largest police state--meanwhile, our companies continue to work hand in hand with the US/Trump regime to develop products customized to suit regime needs and rules.

Para2016 8y ago
This kind of rebuttal belongs on Yahoo news comments. It definitely decreases the value of HN comments overall.
castratikron 8y ago
It's invalid to criticize China policy because America does similar things? Is that what you're saying?
- yholio 8y ago
  He is actually saying same things that were said about China, in the same words, but about US. It's a rhetorical move to force the interlocutors to change their perspective and examine their own prejudices. To me, both comments read like hateful propaganda rooted in prejudice.
dang 8y ago
You can't do this kind of flamewar on HN, and we ban accounts that won't stop, so please stop. Your account seems to have taken a heavy turn into using HN for political battle. That's not ok, and we ban accounts that do it. Please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and use the site as intended. The rest of the world may be radicalizing and polarizing, but HN's mandate hasn't changed and isn't going to, therefore we have to ban accounts that are destructive of it. First among those are the accounts seeking to use HN as a battlefield, which (if allowed to) would turn this place into scorched earth.
- DebussysRevenge 8y ago
  >The rest of the world may be radicalizing and polarizing, but HN's mandate hasn't changed and isn't going to Lol, thank god we have Mr. Enlightened Centrist Gackle here to let us all know the truth is somewhere in the middle. It warms my heart to know in 20 years when the country HN is based in has devolved into a genocidal (well, moreso than usual) hellscape, you'll be right there with all the other luminaries of our age admonishing the masses of the dangers of associating with the far-left Strasserites.
  - dang 8y ago
    I'm not advocating centrism any more than a janitor saying "no food fights" advocates a diet.
- DyslexicAtheist 8y ago
  alright Daniel. No problem. My point was to mirror the comment from OP and make him/her see how ridiculous and one-sided it sounds. But I agree it isn't constructive and I do understand your points. I'll promise to stop all comments that might be considered offensive or political (off-topic) regardless of how I might feel about it. And I'm sincerely sorry if I've hurt or upset anyone. I have witnessed the killing and burning of bodies from 120 Tamils in Sri Lanka, which went unreported in Western media. I have witnessed a guy stabbing another guy in the neck within a parang (coconut knife) as my first experience when globe-trotting (I just turned 19) during a religious dispute in Banda Aceh. I have seen dead bodies of Burmese fishermen while teaching an Open Water Scuba class in Thailand (they are used as slaves by the Thai and then thrown overboard). All this happened a long time ago but it has shaped me in a way that made me more angry. I'm not an academic and I'm not a native English speaker but nor am I an arm-chair philosopher. I do still suffer from PTSD of my experiences, but it's no excuse to make political comments here probably. Again this isn't an excuse for myself, but I hope it gives context on why I feel more strongly and said the things I did. I'm happy to continue lurking and promise to cut political motivated arguments out in future.

chriscappuccio 8y ago

It's getting harder and harder to tell the difference between fascism and communism these days.

jorblumesea 8y ago

China being China will almost certainly come back to haunt them without significant political reform (within China itself). It's great that someone is building infrastructure in these countries, but the cost is a totalitarian state with a few freedoms, enslaved by debt to their new colonial masters. This can easily be exploited by the West, similar to how the Soviet Union used US hegemony to start (and win) numerous cold war conflicts. China may never see any returns on that infrastructure when these countries inevitably switch sides in the new cold war.

dang 8y ago

Nationalistic flamewar is not welcome here, and we ban accounts that do it, so please don't do it. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

sintaxi 8y ago
Please don't thought police. Extremely important and relevant points are being made. If this information/opinion can't be shared here where will this discussion happen?
- dang 8y ago
  On a different forum with a different mandate. HN's is the gratification of intellectual curiosity (https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html), and flamewars are poison to that purpose.