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Yes, they clearly didn't consult (and/or use) security researchers' most recent recommendations about passwords. Password managers have become a nearly non-neg

Yes, they clearly didn't consult (and/or use) security researchers' most recent recommendations about passwords. Password managers have become a nearly non-negotiable necessity. Telling people just use a password manager is becoming kind of like telling developers just use source control 15 years ago. You just won't know how important they are (or the true cost/benefit) until you start using one yourself.

astura 8y ago
15 years ago? Source control was very, very standard 15 years ago. 15 years ago I would have run, not walked, from a job if they didn't use source control. There was no git, we used CVS, which was almost old enough to vote at that time.
- TimTheTinker 8y ago
  > Source control was very, very standard 15 years ago. For commercial shops, perhaps. But back then the bar for using source control was much, much higher, so for many small projects, people didn't bother. There wasn't anything as simple as `git init`. There were a few public CVS and SVN servers that were appropriate for open source projects, but for anything personal or commercial, you had to use a local, single-user repo or set up your own server. (Back then, the only viable DVCS systems were commercial.)
  - pessimizer 8y ago
    > you had to set up your own server. That was like 5 minutes of work, though. Maybe an hour or two if you hadn't done it before. It's absurdly easy to set up and use SVN. CVS was easy to set up, but a nightmare to use. > you had to use a local, single-user repo or set up your own server. That's the opposite of having no source control, that's having source control.
  - xorcist 8y ago
    Sourceforge is almost 20 years old now, and offered version control free of charge. For a while it was almost as dominant in the free software world as github is now. The FreeBSD CVS archive is 25 years old. Version control was absolutely mainstream back then.
    - TimTheTinker 8y ago
      > Version control was absolutely mainstream back then. I’m not arguing with that, only pointing out that it wasn’t ubiquitous.
  - astura 8y ago
    Sorry, no, this just isn't true.

astura 8y ago

15 years ago? Source control was very, very standard 15 years ago. 15 years ago I would have run, not walked, from a job if they didn't use source control. There was no git, we used CVS, which was almost old enough to vote at that time.

TimTheTinker 8y ago
> Source control was very, very standard 15 years ago. For commercial shops, perhaps. But back then the bar for using source control was much, much higher, so for many small projects, people didn't bother. There wasn't anything as simple as `git init`. There were a few public CVS and SVN servers that were appropriate for open source projects, but for anything personal or commercial, you had to use a local, single-user repo or set up your own server. (Back then, the only viable DVCS systems were commercial.)
- pessimizer 8y ago
  > you had to set up your own server. That was like 5 minutes of work, though. Maybe an hour or two if you hadn't done it before. It's absurdly easy to set up and use SVN. CVS was easy to set up, but a nightmare to use. > you had to use a local, single-user repo or set up your own server. That's the opposite of having no source control, that's having source control.
- xorcist 8y ago
  Sourceforge is almost 20 years old now, and offered version control free of charge. For a while it was almost as dominant in the free software world as github is now. The FreeBSD CVS archive is 25 years old. Version control was absolutely mainstream back then.
  - TimTheTinker 8y ago
    > Version control was absolutely mainstream back then. I’m not arguing with that, only pointing out that it wasn’t ubiquitous.
- astura 8y ago
  Sorry, no, this just isn't true.