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The environmental impact of all the TV churn... :/

by linkmotif 8y ago

notyourwork 8y ago
Agreed, I'm still not convinced I really need to upgrade to 4k yet let alone 8k.
- cbg0 8y ago
  If you're happy with your 1080p TV, you'll probably continue to be so, unless you get a 4K OLED TV, which may blow your mind a bit.
  - extesy 8y ago
    It's the OLED part that blows the mind, not 4K part.
    - cbg0 8y ago
      The difference in resolution from 1080p is very noticeable and a definite improvement if you prefer more detail in your movies.
  - paganel 8y ago
    > 4K OLED TV, which may blow your mind a bit. reply Genuine question: does it display movies in a "natural light" the same way as a plasma TV does or does it display it under a "fake light", the same way as the LED screens do? (even the 4K ones). I'm asking because I'm a movie buff who's really attached to his plasma TV but looking at the available LED options up on the market I don't see anything that satisfies me. Yes, the image is "clearer" on the latest LED 4K screens but it also looks "fake-ish" when it comes to watching movies.
    - pault 8y ago
      OLED is not back lit, so it probably looks better than plasma once you account for the higher pixel density. I haven’t done a side by side comparison though.
    - dawnerd 8y ago
      HDR alone will make your plasma look old. I went from a plasma to 4k then to hdr. Huge improvement.
    - alasano 8y ago
      It's as natural and balanced as you want it to be. I recently watched "The Revenant" in 4k HDR on an LG Oled Panel, the movie was apparently filmed only with natural light (not in the way you meant, just that there was no artificial lighting for scenes). It's absolutely stunning to see as everything feels spot on.
    - bscphil 8y ago
      OLED is not the same thing as what they advertise as LED, which is really LED backlit LCD. OLED screens have no backlighting, and so when properly tuned, the picture is 100% perfect. I'm with you though, I love my plasma TV from 2009 and don't plan to give it up any time soon.
- Waterluvian 8y ago
  You'll probably notice a difference but there's really no promise you'll find any value in it. I need 4k for programming but I've yet to appreciate 4k for video. I see it, but I just don't really care.
  - sjroot 8y ago
    Out of curiosity, what do you mean when you say you need 4K for programming?
    - gknoy 8y ago
      At 4k resolution, a 30-40 inch monitor gives noticeably improved text quality (even when I could only get it at 30hz). Part of the reason for this is that we're looking at the screen from 2.5-3 feet away, rather than the ~6ft viewing distance that is common for TVs. It's hard to describe the difference, except that I have two monitors side by side -- one a 4k, and one a 1440p, and the difference is noticeable. Even when I scale the 4k monitor so that the window size is the same, the text quality is still noticeably easier to read.
    - Waterluvian 8y ago
      For web app development my setup is as follows: 4k monitor for two panes of code 4k monitor for a browser + debugger or maybe two browsers: one mobile one desktop. 1080p monitor for docs or maybe Netflix as I work depending on the kind of work. When I'm doing robotics or server or more general programming work I basically just use my main monitor. Reading code on a 1080p monitor is almost intolerable now that I'm used to 4k. I can size it way down and get two full panes of code side by side.
      - sjroot 8y ago
        Interesting. Thank you for sharing.
- intopieces 8y ago
  Same. We have a nice 1080p OLED and most things we watch look beautiful in 1080p. Plus these new 4K panels come with tons of weird processing and effects like motion blur, etc. I’m still not convinced that 4K is a viable format. They’re still cranking out 480p DVDs, a technology that was supposed to be supplanted 12 years ago by Blu Ray.
epx 8y ago
I will replace my 1080 TV when it breaks. It has already failed once, the LED backlight replacement cost 1/5 of the a new TV. Next time it goes to waste (the bulk is mostly aluminum anyway).
- josho 8y ago
  > will replace my 1080 TV when it breaks. And sadly it’s been designed to break sometime around the 7-10 year mark. E.g. using minimal amount of solder on connections that will eventually crack after repeated warm/cold cycles from use.
  - jotm 8y ago
    Hah, solder cracks. LG panels backlight completely shuts off if one LED dies (for, uh, "safety" reasons, they couldn't design a proper fucking power supply). Which they do, a lot. Now, you can barely notice one LED gone. Replacing the strip costs 1/4-1/3 of a new TV. This fucking world...

The environmental impact of all the TV churn... :/

notyourwork 8y ago

Agreed, I'm still not convinced I really need to upgrade to 4k yet let alone 8k.

cbg0 8y ago
If you're happy with your 1080p TV, you'll probably continue to be so, unless you get a 4K OLED TV, which may blow your mind a bit.
- extesy 8y ago
  It's the OLED part that blows the mind, not 4K part.
  - cbg0 8y ago
    The difference in resolution from 1080p is very noticeable and a definite improvement if you prefer more detail in your movies.
- paganel 8y ago
  > 4K OLED TV, which may blow your mind a bit. reply Genuine question: does it display movies in a "natural light" the same way as a plasma TV does or does it display it under a "fake light", the same way as the LED screens do? (even the 4K ones). I'm asking because I'm a movie buff who's really attached to his plasma TV but looking at the available LED options up on the market I don't see anything that satisfies me. Yes, the image is "clearer" on the latest LED 4K screens but it also looks "fake-ish" when it comes to watching movies.
  - pault 8y ago
    OLED is not back lit, so it probably looks better than plasma once you account for the higher pixel density. I haven’t done a side by side comparison though.
  - dawnerd 8y ago
    HDR alone will make your plasma look old. I went from a plasma to 4k then to hdr. Huge improvement.
  - alasano 8y ago
    It's as natural and balanced as you want it to be. I recently watched "The Revenant" in 4k HDR on an LG Oled Panel, the movie was apparently filmed only with natural light (not in the way you meant, just that there was no artificial lighting for scenes). It's absolutely stunning to see as everything feels spot on.
  - bscphil 8y ago
    OLED is not the same thing as what they advertise as LED, which is really LED backlit LCD. OLED screens have no backlighting, and so when properly tuned, the picture is 100% perfect. I'm with you though, I love my plasma TV from 2009 and don't plan to give it up any time soon.
Waterluvian 8y ago
You'll probably notice a difference but there's really no promise you'll find any value in it. I need 4k for programming but I've yet to appreciate 4k for video. I see it, but I just don't really care.
- sjroot 8y ago
  Out of curiosity, what do you mean when you say you need 4K for programming?
  - gknoy 8y ago
    At 4k resolution, a 30-40 inch monitor gives noticeably improved text quality (even when I could only get it at 30hz). Part of the reason for this is that we're looking at the screen from 2.5-3 feet away, rather than the ~6ft viewing distance that is common for TVs. It's hard to describe the difference, except that I have two monitors side by side -- one a 4k, and one a 1440p, and the difference is noticeable. Even when I scale the 4k monitor so that the window size is the same, the text quality is still noticeably easier to read.
  - Waterluvian 8y ago
    For web app development my setup is as follows: 4k monitor for two panes of code 4k monitor for a browser + debugger or maybe two browsers: one mobile one desktop. 1080p monitor for docs or maybe Netflix as I work depending on the kind of work. When I'm doing robotics or server or more general programming work I basically just use my main monitor. Reading code on a 1080p monitor is almost intolerable now that I'm used to 4k. I can size it way down and get two full panes of code side by side.
    - sjroot 8y ago
      Interesting. Thank you for sharing.
intopieces 8y ago
Same. We have a nice 1080p OLED and most things we watch look beautiful in 1080p. Plus these new 4K panels come with tons of weird processing and effects like motion blur, etc. I’m still not convinced that 4K is a viable format. They’re still cranking out 480p DVDs, a technology that was supposed to be supplanted 12 years ago by Blu Ray.

epx 8y ago

I will replace my 1080 TV when it breaks. It has already failed once, the LED backlight replacement cost 1/5 of the a new TV. Next time it goes to waste (the bulk is mostly aluminum anyway).

josho 8y ago
> will replace my 1080 TV when it breaks. And sadly it’s been designed to break sometime around the 7-10 year mark. E.g. using minimal amount of solder on connections that will eventually crack after repeated warm/cold cycles from use.
- jotm 8y ago
  Hah, solder cracks. LG panels backlight completely shuts off if one LED dies (for, uh, "safety" reasons, they couldn't design a proper fucking power supply). Which they do, a lot. Now, you can barely notice one LED gone. Replacing the strip costs 1/4-1/3 of a new TV. This fucking world...