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> Reddit ... the websites where the content is made by users. Except for /r/WorldNews or /r/news or /r/programming or ... The phenomenon certainly exists wher

> Reddit ... the websites where the content is made by users. Except for /r/WorldNews or /r/news or /r/programming or ... The phenomenon certainly exists where hundreds of people will debate an article without ever reading more than the title and maybe seeing a picture. Sometimes the entire article will be copied into the discussion, even. Whether this phenomenon causes harm and requires correction is unclear.

yummybear 8y ago
"Sometimes". Yes, as opposed to "Never". I won't deny that it have happened, but it's certainly nowhere even close to the norm.
- BlackFly 8y ago
  Yes, and take a look at the norm: link to external content. Debate about that content. Reddit's whole business model requires that other people create and host the content. There's nothing wrong with that. Bars hire bands to come play, lots of business models revolve around using other people's works. But at what level should royalties come into play? Certainly never isn't the answer. Only the most unhinged reading of the EU legislation thinks it applies immediately at linking.
  - ndnxhs 8y ago
    The norm is to link to external content but I doubt the norm is to click on it. Most people vote based on the title so absolute garbage articles make it to the top that aren't worth clicking and then the new reddit UI makes it much harder to get to the external link and very easy to just jump to the comments. Arguably the external content is next to worthless to reddit because they could just make the website text and image posts only and nothing would be lost.
    - BlackFly 8y ago
      You should have replied to my upper level comment, where I was pointing out this phenomenon. At the level you commented, I was agreeing with the other person that this phenomenon, while lamentable, is not the norm. While I have no data to back that up, at the very least it is not the intended or canonical reddit experience. More to point, I think the phenomenon is somewhat irrelevant to what the EU is trying to achieve, which is what I was alluding to. Even the intended experience of Reddit is to profit off the creations of others without paying royalties. There is obviously arguments to be made on whether that is good or not. The EU seems to believe that it is not just and probably does not believe that moving to a more just approach will not destroy Reddit.

yummybear 8y ago

"Sometimes". Yes, as opposed to "Never". I won't deny that it have happened, but it's certainly nowhere even close to the norm.

BlackFly 8y ago
Yes, and take a look at the norm: link to external content. Debate about that content. Reddit's whole business model requires that other people create and host the content. There's nothing wrong with that. Bars hire bands to come play, lots of business models revolve around using other people's works. But at what level should royalties come into play? Certainly never isn't the answer. Only the most unhinged reading of the EU legislation thinks it applies immediately at linking.
- ndnxhs 8y ago
  The norm is to link to external content but I doubt the norm is to click on it. Most people vote based on the title so absolute garbage articles make it to the top that aren't worth clicking and then the new reddit UI makes it much harder to get to the external link and very easy to just jump to the comments. Arguably the external content is next to worthless to reddit because they could just make the website text and image posts only and nothing would be lost.
  - BlackFly 8y ago
    You should have replied to my upper level comment, where I was pointing out this phenomenon. At the level you commented, I was agreeing with the other person that this phenomenon, while lamentable, is not the norm. While I have no data to back that up, at the very least it is not the intended or canonical reddit experience. More to point, I think the phenomenon is somewhat irrelevant to what the EU is trying to achieve, which is what I was alluding to. Even the intended experience of Reddit is to profit off the creations of others without paying royalties. There is obviously arguments to be made on whether that is good or not. The EU seems to believe that it is not just and probably does not believe that moving to a more just approach will not destroy Reddit.