3 ms·

I hope so... among many other more significant things on the web, and I say that as a current EU citizen - the people creating these laws need to see them fail

by tomxor 8y ago

I hope so... among many other more significant things on the web, and I say that as a current EU citizen - the people creating these laws need to see them fail hard. Having the best intentions is not enough when defining laws for complex technology with broad application, it is necessary to have a basic understanding of it and the scope of it's reach - they clearly do not.

xhruso00 8y ago
Why can't reddit pay some pennies for the link to appear on their site? Is it easier to cut all EU citizens? They have ads on their site. Why can't this lead to higher prices of ads on their site?
- IanCal 8y ago
  They can have the link anyway - that's not restricted. You can link all you want to whatever you want. My guess is it would mean things like news publishers would send copies of the main text to reddit and reddit would be required to filter out comments that contain some significant chunk of them unless there's some agreement made. Currently most paywalled articles have the entire text pasted into a comment within.
  - tomxor 8y ago
    Exactly... it's O(n^2) hard over time, it's not fucking practical before even contemplating the moral issues.
- buboard 8y ago
  not even google with their endless cash can figure out how to walk through the logistics of this. And then the sites themselves will have to figure out ways to pay for everything that is payable in their articles.
sgc 8y ago
I see this as them mainly attempting to create a moat around the European internet, to create a space for European companies to have a competitive advantage. This seems to have been a trend over the last 20 years I have been observing at least. The goal is simply to make things difficult enough that is is far less worth someone's time unless Europe is their primary market. Unfortunately all Europeans wind up paying a heavy price for this mentality when it is applied to extremes, especially since it will still be only large companies that will have the resources to actually adhere to the law enough to avoid incredible risk of exposure. In other words, I think the motivations here have very little to do with author's rights and everything to do with lobbying for European business.
- buboard 8y ago
  > for European companies to have a competitive advantage That moat is so big that even EU companies can't cross it. Our hands are tied even more than foreign companies.
  - sgc 8y ago
    The context seems to be substantially changed by the size of fines that the EU has historically given out to foreign companies. But yes, I think you are right and the intended goal will be a wide miss.
  - scarejunba 8y ago
    I suspect it will disadvantage EU companies. Is the EU going to go after Chinese companies that violate? China will not yield. Is the EU going to go after member nation companies? Yeah, probably, if it wants legislation to have teeth.

by tomxor 8y ago

xhruso00 8y ago

Why can't reddit pay some pennies for the link to appear on their site? Is it easier to cut all EU citizens? They have ads on their site. Why can't this lead to higher prices of ads on their site?

IanCal 8y ago
They can have the link anyway - that's not restricted. You can link all you want to whatever you want. My guess is it would mean things like news publishers would send copies of the main text to reddit and reddit would be required to filter out comments that contain some significant chunk of them unless there's some agreement made. Currently most paywalled articles have the entire text pasted into a comment within.
- tomxor 8y ago
  Exactly... it's O(n^2) hard over time, it's not fucking practical before even contemplating the moral issues.
buboard 8y ago
not even google with their endless cash can figure out how to walk through the logistics of this. And then the sites themselves will have to figure out ways to pay for everything that is payable in their articles.

sgc 8y ago

I see this as them mainly attempting to create a moat around the European internet, to create a space for European companies to have a competitive advantage. This seems to have been a trend over the last 20 years I have been observing at least. The goal is simply to make things difficult enough that is is far less worth someone's time unless Europe is their primary market. Unfortunately all Europeans wind up paying a heavy price for this mentality when it is applied to extremes, especially since it will still be only large companies that will have the resources to actually adhere to the law enough to avoid incredible risk of exposure. In other words, I think the motivations here have very little to do with author's rights and everything to do with lobbying for European business.

buboard 8y ago
> for European companies to have a competitive advantage That moat is so big that even EU companies can't cross it. Our hands are tied even more than foreign companies.
- sgc 8y ago
  The context seems to be substantially changed by the size of fines that the EU has historically given out to foreign companies. But yes, I think you are right and the intended goal will be a wide miss.
- scarejunba 8y ago
  I suspect it will disadvantage EU companies. Is the EU going to go after Chinese companies that violate? China will not yield. Is the EU going to go after member nation companies? Yeah, probably, if it wants legislation to have teeth.