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> Tesla says “Full Self-Driving Hardware on All Cars”. The implication is clearly that the cars are perfectly capable of fully self driving. What they have sai

> Tesla says “Full Self-Driving Hardware on All Cars”. The implication is clearly that the cars are perfectly capable of fully self driving. What they have said explicitly is that they cars are not capable of fully self driving until the software and regulatory approvals are ready. Explicit trumps whatever you think is implicit. A Tesla car is not just hardware. It's software as well. You are equating claims that are explicitly about the hardware as if they are about the car as a whole, when the page in question clearly makes the distinction between them. How do you suggest they describe the situation? Do you think they should be banned from mentioning the hardware support? > Whataboutism is not an argument that the problem isn’t thee, just that we should ignore it because that other guy does it. So do you think that Apple were wrong to talk about 16-way FaceTime before iOS 12.1 was released? If this is so unreasonable, why didn't anybody complain that Apple were lying about iPhone functionality? My argument is not that we should ignore wrongdoing because other people do it. My argument is that the reason people do ignore it for other vendors is because it's not wrongdoing.

close04 8y ago
I’m sorry, I think I established above that I am right and Tesla HW isn’t actually capable of FSD. Why are we still arguing? Are you telling me I’m wrong or what I say is false and misleading, against all you’ve stated in your comments so far (that there’s no wrongdoing in making unsubstantiated claims)?
- dang 8y ago
  Please don't perpetuate tiresome flamewars on HN.
coldtea 8y ago
>What they have said explicitly is that they cars are not capable of fully self driving until the software and regulatory approvals are ready. Explicit trumps whatever you think is implicit. That's what every scamster who puts 100pt text "This product does X" and them tells in 7pt fine print "fat chance you'll see it doing X" would say. For one, the "software" might never be ready, it's a hard problem. What timeline they have? What are their guarantees they'll get it? How do they know if the "full self-driving" problem is solved eventually in software, it won't require extra hardware (sensors and such) to operate? They don't, they just depend on idiots buying their cars thinking a) the autopilot is here, b) the autopilot is near, it's just a matter of shipping the software which they'll release soon.

close04 8y ago

I’m sorry, I think I established above that I am right and Tesla HW isn’t actually capable of FSD. Why are we still arguing? Are you telling me I’m wrong or what I say is false and misleading, against all you’ve stated in your comments so far (that there’s no wrongdoing in making unsubstantiated claims)?

dang 8y ago
Please don't perpetuate tiresome flamewars on HN.

coldtea 8y ago

>What they have said explicitly is that they cars are not capable of fully self driving until the software and regulatory approvals are ready. Explicit trumps whatever you think is implicit. That's what every scamster who puts 100pt text "This product does X" and them tells in 7pt fine print "fat chance you'll see it doing X" would say. For one, the "software" might never be ready, it's a hard problem. What timeline they have? What are their guarantees they'll get it? How do they know if the "full self-driving" problem is solved eventually in software, it won't require extra hardware (sensors and such) to operate? They don't, they just depend on idiots buying their cars thinking a) the autopilot is here, b) the autopilot is near, it's just a matter of shipping the software which they'll release soon.