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I wonder how much longer is it going to be until we get a regulatory required pull over signal for autonomous systems and how in the hell you would secure it co

I wonder how much longer is it going to be until we get a regulatory required pull over signal for autonomous systems and how in the hell you would secure it considering it would need to be used by countless law enforcement agencies world wide and would need to be implemented by multiple manufacturers. I’m pretty sure it would be some emergency stop button in the cabbin at first but then someone somewhere would want to pass a law that would enable the police to remotely initiate it.

vbezhenar 8y ago
It'll allow criminals to intercept and kill drivers in empty roads, not very good solution. At least driver should be able to disable this system.
- k_sh 8y ago
  A "law enforcement has requested that your car pull over automatically, press here if you don't want this to happen" dialog would serve the need here while also protecting passengers from bad actors.
  - bamboozled 8y ago
    How do you differentiate between “real” law enforcement and fake ?
    - dorchadas 8y ago
      Well, you could look to see if the cops are behind you. If it's a malicious actor posing in cop cars already, I think there's bigger issues, since most will stop if they see they're being followed by a cop with their lights on.
      - vbezhenar 8y ago
        In my country you could choose not to stop and instead drive to the nearest police station, if you have doubts whether cops are legitimate. They are supposed to escort you or something like that.
    - isoskeles 8y ago
      Isn’t this an issue with or without a self-driving car?
    - neuralRiot 8y ago
      In the US you can call 112 to verify it. Also you can turn on you hazzard lights slow down and drive to a safe place, most cops are thankful when you avoid stopping on a dangerous part of the highway like narrow shoulders or ramps.
    - SamReidHughes 8y ago
      You just always push it, and get pulled over the old fashioned way.
- dogma1138 8y ago
  Hence the “how will we secure them” at some point there will be no driver, even if the car still has a steering wheele and controls you might be in the back seat napping while the car drives you. Audi already has a backseat traffic driver mode where you can get a foot rub while the car drives in traffic. This will eventually require a solution.
- Something1234 8y ago
  Where's the profit in that? Generally criminals are motivated by profit, and wanton destruction.
  - vbezhenar 8y ago
    Steal car and everything inside.
ranit 8y ago
>> we get a regulatory required pull over signal for autonomous systems and how in the hell you would secure it considering it would need to be used by countless law enforcement agencies world wide Regulatory requirement is per jurisdiction, isn’t it.
- dogma1138 8y ago
  Yes and no, people tend to drive their cars outside of a given jurisdiction as in a Tesla owner in California might drive to Nevada or even Canada or Mexico. Also I don’t think manufacturers would want to develop 500 system so when the first demand comes they’ll likely implement it across the board. I would also not be surprised if they find a way (or at least try too) to charge LEO’s for this “services” similarly to how cellphone companies charge for wiretaps, call logs and telemetry data.

vbezhenar 8y ago

It'll allow criminals to intercept and kill drivers in empty roads, not very good solution. At least driver should be able to disable this system.

k_sh 8y ago
A "law enforcement has requested that your car pull over automatically, press here if you don't want this to happen" dialog would serve the need here while also protecting passengers from bad actors.
- bamboozled 8y ago
  How do you differentiate between “real” law enforcement and fake ?
  - dorchadas 8y ago
    Well, you could look to see if the cops are behind you. If it's a malicious actor posing in cop cars already, I think there's bigger issues, since most will stop if they see they're being followed by a cop with their lights on.
    - vbezhenar 8y ago
      In my country you could choose not to stop and instead drive to the nearest police station, if you have doubts whether cops are legitimate. They are supposed to escort you or something like that.
  - isoskeles 8y ago
    Isn’t this an issue with or without a self-driving car?
  - neuralRiot 8y ago
    In the US you can call 112 to verify it. Also you can turn on you hazzard lights slow down and drive to a safe place, most cops are thankful when you avoid stopping on a dangerous part of the highway like narrow shoulders or ramps.
  - SamReidHughes 8y ago
    You just always push it, and get pulled over the old fashioned way.
dogma1138 8y ago
Hence the “how will we secure them” at some point there will be no driver, even if the car still has a steering wheele and controls you might be in the back seat napping while the car drives you. Audi already has a backseat traffic driver mode where you can get a foot rub while the car drives in traffic. This will eventually require a solution.
Something1234 8y ago
Where's the profit in that? Generally criminals are motivated by profit, and wanton destruction.
- vbezhenar 8y ago
  Steal car and everything inside.

ranit 8y ago

>> we get a regulatory required pull over signal for autonomous systems and how in the hell you would secure it considering it would need to be used by countless law enforcement agencies world wide Regulatory requirement is per jurisdiction, isn’t it.

dogma1138 8y ago
Yes and no, people tend to drive their cars outside of a given jurisdiction as in a Tesla owner in California might drive to Nevada or even Canada or Mexico. Also I don’t think manufacturers would want to develop 500 system so when the first demand comes they’ll likely implement it across the board. I would also not be surprised if they find a way (or at least try too) to charge LEO’s for this “services” similarly to how cellphone companies charge for wiretaps, call logs and telemetry data.