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Aeroplanes have ATC keeping multiple miles of separation, and thousands of feet of height between vehicles, and regulations requiring a pair of awake, sober and

Aeroplanes have ATC keeping multiple miles of separation, and thousands of feet of height between vehicles, and regulations requiring a pair of awake, sober and aware humans on board. An aircraft autopilot can be quite dumb and remain safe.

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mattmanser 8y ago
The grandparent comment is still correct though.
- masklinn 8y ago
  1. it's not practically correct, the experience of using a plane autopilot and tesla's driving assistance is completely different, a plane autopilot will not smash you into a parked truck or a road divider — because they don't exist in the sky, sure, but at the end of the day the important bit is a plane's autopilot is almost certainly going to warn and disengage long before it kills you 2. it's not communicationally correct, most drivers are not pilot, and when you talk about "autopilot" to a layperson they expect an automated driving system (SAE3 or more), and this false impression is exactly why Tesla's marketing named their driving assistance the way they did 3. and it's not really technically correct either, there are autopilots which can do everything between takeoff and taxiing (including landing), tesla's driving assistance can do no such thing
bayesian_horse 8y ago
An aircraft's autopilot does not absolve the pilot of keeping an eye on the instruments, the flight situation, the windows (if applicable). He has to be ready at any moment to disengage the autopilot or take the controls when the autopilot self-disengages. The only thing an autopilot, both the tesla's and the airplane's, is good for is reducing the cognitive load of the operator.
- NeedMoreTea 8y ago
  Fully agree, but that is not how it is positioned by Tesla, which I think creates most of the problem.
  - toomuchtodo 8y ago
    > but that is not how it is positioned by Tesla I disagree, based on my Model S orientation from my delivery specialist, as well as the very clear warnings on the MCU display regarding the driver needing to maintain control at all times (which is also presented on the dashboard display above the steering wheel each and every time autosteer is enabled). It’s made abundantly clear what the limitations are. Stupid people will do stupid things. Safeguards have diminishing returns, and does not absolve an operator of personal responsibility.
- tjoff 8y ago
  We already have a term for that. It is called lane assistance/guidance. To even bring up aircrafts (or boats or whatever) is incredible disingenuous and not comparable in any practical sense what so ever.
  - bayesian_horse 8y ago
    Lane assistance doesn't necessarily regulate speed, as far as I know. I don't think that Teslas marketing is misleading. They are even actively trying to disabuse their customers of the notion that this autopilot is more capable than it is.

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mattmanser 8y ago

The grandparent comment is still correct though.

masklinn 8y ago
1. it's not practically correct, the experience of using a plane autopilot and tesla's driving assistance is completely different, a plane autopilot will not smash you into a parked truck or a road divider — because they don't exist in the sky, sure, but at the end of the day the important bit is a plane's autopilot is almost certainly going to warn and disengage long before it kills you 2. it's not communicationally correct, most drivers are not pilot, and when you talk about "autopilot" to a layperson they expect an automated driving system (SAE3 or more), and this false impression is exactly why Tesla's marketing named their driving assistance the way they did 3. and it's not really technically correct either, there are autopilots which can do everything between takeoff and taxiing (including landing), tesla's driving assistance can do no such thing

bayesian_horse 8y ago

An aircraft's autopilot does not absolve the pilot of keeping an eye on the instruments, the flight situation, the windows (if applicable). He has to be ready at any moment to disengage the autopilot or take the controls when the autopilot self-disengages. The only thing an autopilot, both the tesla's and the airplane's, is good for is reducing the cognitive load of the operator.

NeedMoreTea 8y ago
Fully agree, but that is not how it is positioned by Tesla, which I think creates most of the problem.
- toomuchtodo 8y ago
  > but that is not how it is positioned by Tesla I disagree, based on my Model S orientation from my delivery specialist, as well as the very clear warnings on the MCU display regarding the driver needing to maintain control at all times (which is also presented on the dashboard display above the steering wheel each and every time autosteer is enabled). It’s made abundantly clear what the limitations are. Stupid people will do stupid things. Safeguards have diminishing returns, and does not absolve an operator of personal responsibility.
tjoff 8y ago
We already have a term for that. It is called lane assistance/guidance. To even bring up aircrafts (or boats or whatever) is incredible disingenuous and not comparable in any practical sense what so ever.
- bayesian_horse 8y ago
  Lane assistance doesn't necessarily regulate speed, as far as I know. I don't think that Teslas marketing is misleading. They are even actively trying to disabuse their customers of the notion that this autopilot is more capable than it is.