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> Undergrad is very expensive in the US, even at some public universities. Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't this put American graduates at a disadvantage?
by mavelikara 8y ago
> Undergrad is very expensive in the US, even at some public universities. Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't this put American graduates at a disadvantage?
Sorry, I realized that I missed a word there when I wrote that line. I meant:
> But this biases the playing field in favor of those immigrants graduating from American degree mills.
- pm90 8y agoWait so you’re saying that someone who puts in the effort to earn a graduate degree should not benefit from having had the initiative and putting in the work to earning this qualification?
- mavelikara 8y agoNo, I am saying that handing over immigration decisions to for-profit degree mills will lead to problems. For example, see news about Tri Valley University from few years ago [1]. [1] https://www.mercurynews.com/2011/01/20/tri-valley-university-called-sham-accused-of-immigration-fraud/ https://www.mercurynews.com/2011/01/20/tri-valley-university...
- pm90 8y agoYou picked one fake mill. There are over 1.1 million foreign graduate students. The foreign degree mill theory is not based on facts, only anecdotes.
- mavelikara 8y agoNobody, certainly not me, is disparaging the credentials of immigrant graduates from top American universities. But there exists a long tail of Universities, many of them who seem to exist solely as a pathway to fulfillment of the American Dream of immigrat students. See https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/02/us/international-enrollment-drop.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/02/us/international-enrollme... Consider two statements: A) Most immigrant graduates are of low caliber. B) Most immigrants of high caliber have graduate degrees. In my experience, both statements are true. Disclosure: Immigrant, hiring manager at reputed SV company, with UG degree from my home country.
- pm90 8y agoThe real question is whether its worth going after the long tail if its an insignificant fraction of incoming immigrants (and really, an insignificant number in total). You have to consider that, in making sure the long tail is taken care of, you risk in making it significantly harder for the rest of the lot to make it through.
- mavelikara 8y agoMy experience has been that the long tail, in aggregate, form a large segment of the immigrant graduate population. I already stated this in my previous comment as statement A.
- pm90 8y agoYour experience does not the reality maketh. Statiscally, immigration fraud through this route is uncommon.
- mavelikara 8y ago> Statiscally, immigration fraud through this route is uncommon. Citation needed.
- pm90 8y agoSure. Provide anecdotes for justifying your worldview but demand citations from others. That seems totally fair and not hypocritical at all. In any case, here you go: https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/Unauthorized%20Immigrant%20Population%20Estimates%20in%20the%20US%20January%202014_1.pdf https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/Unautho...
- mavelikara 8y agoI narrated my experience, cited two links, and you go "that doesn't make reality, statistics say...". So I ask for said stats. What is amusing about that? You then come back with an article titled "Estimates of the Unauthorized Immigrant Population Residing in the United States: January 2014", when the discussion here is about students gaming legal immigration. What relevance does that have to the topic, again?