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Story that all chinese technology is stolen is not true. They have lot of talent and hardworking folks in cutting edge technology. Vast majority of employees in

by kappi 8y ago

Story that all chinese technology is stolen is not true. They have lot of talent and hardworking folks in cutting edge technology. Vast majority of employees in US chip companies doing cutting edge technology are also Chinese. Most of US engineers chase easy money in web technology etc. Same concern was raised by Peter Theil about VC investing not in hard tech. Ycombinator is also classic example of investing tons of money in only short term tech. Most of silicon tech needs 5-7 years or even more.

NicoJuicy 8y ago
You are Chinese? Raw guess. But the entire setup of China is made for stealing tech from companies who invest there, this doesn't mean anyone isn't hardworking or hasn't got any talent. I know Chinese are hardworking. Also, hardware needs a lot of capital in Western countries, workers are expensive. Starting for yourselve ( with software) and gradually growing is a lot "easier" if you aren't rich.
- kappi 8y ago
  I am not Chinese. I work in chip company and vast majority of EE engineers are Chinese. White americans may be 1-2% percentage at the junior level. It may be less than 10% overall. There are some older white americans but they all will retire soon. Like I said before, nobody to blame. Follow the easy money.
  - ghettoimp 8y ago
    I don't know where you work, but this seems like a weirdly racist thing to say. Based on my experience, it's also complete bullshit. I work at a chip company in the US. Our (chip engineering) workforce is probably about half White Americans. The other half are predominantly Indian, with significant numbers of other Asians. (It's also almost entirely male, because 2018.) At my previous employer, also a chip company in the US, the workforce was even more heavily skewed to White Americans. Probably at least 70%. I can point to a great number of very smart, hard-working, dedicated, and capable co-workers in every one of these racial groups.
    - stjohnswarts 8y ago
      Same in the companies I've contracted for, not really that many east Asians, almost all American and Indians
    - bllguo 8y ago
      it's racist for op to observe racial trends at the workplace? Please stop diluting the term.
    - deleted 8y ago
      [deleted]
  - RamanathanR 8y ago
    No, You SHOULD blame the "Management" who cannot think past lining their own pockets.
  - CathayRe 8y ago
    I think we kinda need a new word for Chinese Chinese. Are they ethnic Chinese but actually American, as American Chinese, or are they Chinese Chinese?
- echevil 8y ago
  > But the entire setup of China is made for stealing tech from companies who invest there That's a really weird statement. A large part of China has no foreign dependencies. China has a vibrant and closed ecosystem tech industry right now -> Most of the Chinese tech startups nowadays have diverged so much from other countries and they're mostly focusing on Chinese market.
  - NicoJuicy 8y ago
    Of course the tech companies focus on Chinese users, but China's growth was/is in production. Ps. Alibaba and jb.com are 2 of them for mostly outside of China. Tescent is "mostly" Chinese gamers
- dang 8y ago
  > You are Chinese? Do not go down that road, please.
  - casefields 8y ago
    Oh please. The Chinese always sprout up to defend and pretend, that the unsavory aspect of Chinese industrial espionage is American/western propaganda. Happens all over the place on the Internet.
    - dang 8y ago
      We have a lot of experience with this, and I can tell you what is far more common: people projecting manipulation and astroturfing onto legit users who in fact are merely expressing an opposing point of view. Hauling out this accusation without evidence is poisonous to discussion. That's why the site guidelines ask you not to post such insinuations. Please read and follow them from now on: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Following the site guidelines also means not using flamewar tropes like "Oh please", and refraining from nationalistic flamewar in general. "The Chinese always sprout up" is a pretty gross thing to see here.
      - pokemongoaway 8y ago
        Dang, you are the censor here, you are in the wrong. You've never argued effectively - and I have lots of email evidence of users being censored unfairly. You just ignore it and hope it goes away, but things you ignore or shadow ban do not go away.
  - NicoJuicy 8y ago
    The reason I added it was conflict of interest originally. It's quite irrelevant now since I misread it ( I am Chinese was from a different author named BlackjackCF, and was a reply somewhere in his comment history). So yeah, this wasn't what I had in mind. Human error.
  - pokemongoaway 8y ago
doanguyen 8y ago
Honestly, I don't know who to believe.
RamanathanR 8y ago
You are quite right though i fear most Americans will find this truth unpalatable. My prediction: If and When the demise of American Tech. supremacy happens, the main culprits will be the American "Management" and "Finance" industry folks. Hubris and Complacency have been legitimized and are ruling the roost.
Lramseyer 8y ago
> Most of US engineers chase easy money in web technology etc. Same concern was raised by Peter Theil about VC investing not in hard tech. Ycombinator is also classic example of investing tons of money in only short term tech. Most of silicon tech needs 5-7 years or even more. So true! It's tempting, I'm a hardware engineer, but I know I can make more as a software engineer working in web tech. I think the issue for VCs and such is that competitive VLSI design is so much work that it's really limited to big companies who have large budgets to afford the engineering costs. Personally, I wish there existed more high level HDLs for (at the very least) programming FPGAs and creating chip designs. I am also excited for RISC-V. I hope that as we start to run into limitations in lithography, we get more creative with our chip designs, and as a result, we see more players in the space.

by kappi 8y ago

NicoJuicy 8y ago

You are Chinese? Raw guess. But the entire setup of China is made for stealing tech from companies who invest there, this doesn't mean anyone isn't hardworking or hasn't got any talent. I know Chinese are hardworking. Also, hardware needs a lot of capital in Western countries, workers are expensive. Starting for yourselve ( with software) and gradually growing is a lot "easier" if you aren't rich.

kappi 8y ago
I am not Chinese. I work in chip company and vast majority of EE engineers are Chinese. White americans may be 1-2% percentage at the junior level. It may be less than 10% overall. There are some older white americans but they all will retire soon. Like I said before, nobody to blame. Follow the easy money.
- ghettoimp 8y ago
  I don't know where you work, but this seems like a weirdly racist thing to say. Based on my experience, it's also complete bullshit. I work at a chip company in the US. Our (chip engineering) workforce is probably about half White Americans. The other half are predominantly Indian, with significant numbers of other Asians. (It's also almost entirely male, because 2018.) At my previous employer, also a chip company in the US, the workforce was even more heavily skewed to White Americans. Probably at least 70%. I can point to a great number of very smart, hard-working, dedicated, and capable co-workers in every one of these racial groups.
  - stjohnswarts 8y ago
    Same in the companies I've contracted for, not really that many east Asians, almost all American and Indians
  - bllguo 8y ago
    it's racist for op to observe racial trends at the workplace? Please stop diluting the term.
  - deleted 8y ago
    [deleted]
- RamanathanR 8y ago
  No, You SHOULD blame the "Management" who cannot think past lining their own pockets.
- CathayRe 8y ago
  I think we kinda need a new word for Chinese Chinese. Are they ethnic Chinese but actually American, as American Chinese, or are they Chinese Chinese?
echevil 8y ago
> But the entire setup of China is made for stealing tech from companies who invest there That's a really weird statement. A large part of China has no foreign dependencies. China has a vibrant and closed ecosystem tech industry right now -> Most of the Chinese tech startups nowadays have diverged so much from other countries and they're mostly focusing on Chinese market.
- NicoJuicy 8y ago
  Of course the tech companies focus on Chinese users, but China's growth was/is in production. Ps. Alibaba and jb.com are 2 of them for mostly outside of China. Tescent is "mostly" Chinese gamers
dang 8y ago
> You are Chinese? Do not go down that road, please.
- casefields 8y ago
  Oh please. The Chinese always sprout up to defend and pretend, that the unsavory aspect of Chinese industrial espionage is American/western propaganda. Happens all over the place on the Internet.
  - dang 8y ago
    We have a lot of experience with this, and I can tell you what is far more common: people projecting manipulation and astroturfing onto legit users who in fact are merely expressing an opposing point of view. Hauling out this accusation without evidence is poisonous to discussion. That's why the site guidelines ask you not to post such insinuations. Please read and follow them from now on: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Following the site guidelines also means not using flamewar tropes like "Oh please", and refraining from nationalistic flamewar in general. "The Chinese always sprout up" is a pretty gross thing to see here.
    - pokemongoaway 8y ago
      Dang, you are the censor here, you are in the wrong. You've never argued effectively - and I have lots of email evidence of users being censored unfairly. You just ignore it and hope it goes away, but things you ignore or shadow ban do not go away.
- NicoJuicy 8y ago
  The reason I added it was conflict of interest originally. It's quite irrelevant now since I misread it ( I am Chinese was from a different author named BlackjackCF, and was a reply somewhere in his comment history). So yeah, this wasn't what I had in mind. Human error.
- pokemongoaway 8y ago

doanguyen 8y ago

Honestly, I don't know who to believe.

RamanathanR 8y ago

You are quite right though i fear most Americans will find this truth unpalatable. My prediction: If and When the demise of American Tech. supremacy happens, the main culprits will be the American "Management" and "Finance" industry folks. Hubris and Complacency have been legitimized and are ruling the roost.

Lramseyer 8y ago

> Most of US engineers chase easy money in web technology etc. Same concern was raised by Peter Theil about VC investing not in hard tech. Ycombinator is also classic example of investing tons of money in only short term tech. Most of silicon tech needs 5-7 years or even more. So true! It's tempting, I'm a hardware engineer, but I know I can make more as a software engineer working in web tech. I think the issue for VCs and such is that competitive VLSI design is so much work that it's really limited to big companies who have large budgets to afford the engineering costs. Personally, I wish there existed more high level HDLs for (at the very least) programming FPGAs and creating chip designs. I am also excited for RISC-V. I hope that as we start to run into limitations in lithography, we get more creative with our chip designs, and as a result, we see more players in the space.