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> Nobody's insecure about non-whites having the ability to vote Actually they are, and go so far as to pass laws specifically to suppress non-white votes https

> Nobody's insecure about non-whites having the ability to vote Actually they are, and go so far as to pass laws specifically to suppress non-white votes https://twitter.com/haroldpollack/status/1051657219899617280 https://twitter.com/haroldpollack/status/1051657219899617280

njarboe 8y ago
I imagine chrisco255 means nobody in his family.
someone7x 8y ago
> They were making the argument and affirming that they were discriminating based on political affiliation, in an attempt to show they were not discriminating based on race. It was a conscious legal strategy to admit this. Wow. Can't be racial prejudice if its already political prejudice. Reminds me of the court scene in New Jack City where the Wesley Snipes confesses to being a foot soldier and therefore he can't be the kingpin.
- pathseeker 8y ago
  >Wow. Can't be racial prejudice if its already political prejudice. It can, but it's not in many cases. I also know lots of conservatives who are not the strawman racists people on the left like to attack. They really only care that people don't vote in left-wing people. Keep in mind that suppressing the Democrat vote will dis-proportionally affect black people (as well as poor people, etc), but that doesn't mean the people trying to do it are prejudiced against black people. They are just prejudiced against Democrats.
  - someone7x 8y ago
    I think you misunderstand me. It’s not that it’s a veneer, it’s that the veneer is tolerated despite resulting in voter suppression. Voter suppression should be a universal bad in a democracy no? It’s not only bad when done for racist ends.
  - stretchwithme 8y ago
    Maybe they are just prejudiced against policies they don't agree with. Just like everybody else.
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gdix 8y ago
To me it's not clear if the court is leaving out some context here. "The State" may have mentioned that the counties were disproportionately democratic and disproportionately black in their justification but to say that WAS their justification could easily be editorialization on the part of the judge who wrote this.
refurb 8y ago
Wow! Talk about not providing context for that quote! The State's argument was voting hours were inconsistent across the state. The districts that offered additional voting opportunities, that other districts did not have, were predominantly African American and would vote Democratic. So their answer was to ban Sunday voting so that every district had the same window of opportunity to vote. One could argue that their solution wasn't the optimal one, but they were aiming to level the playing field.
- gdix 8y ago
  Thank you for adding this context. Some people appear to be dead set on spreading misinformation on issues like this.
- wahern 8y ago
  "In emails, state and county Republican officials lobbied members of at least 17 county election boards to keep early-voting sites open for shorter hours on weekends and in evenings – times that usually see disproportionately high turnout by Democratic voters. Reuters obtained the emails through a public records request." "The officials also urged county election boards to open fewer sites for residents to cast ballots during early voting that began on Oct. 20 and ends on Saturday." Source: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-northcarolina-insight-idUSKBN12Y0ZY?il=0 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-northcarolin... The reason inconsistencies existed is because there was a coordinated campaign in 2016 that made the holdouts appear inconsistent. This is classic voter suppression. There will always be different voting patterns among different groups. Identifying the patterns of your preferred group and then normalizing just those patterns is how suppression is accomplished, period. What blows my mind is that Republicans have been discussing these strategies freely and openly for years, and yet for some reason people still feel compelled to believe post hoc rationalizations. The Republican Party is morally bankrupt. America is an intrinsically conservative nation and conservatism will live on. But apologizing for the Republican Party and its politics... I find it inexcusable.
  - refurb 8y ago
    The Republican Party is morally bankrupt. I would argue creating special voting opportunities (i.e. Sunday voting) that directly appeal to the people who vote for you is morally bankrupt.

njarboe 8y ago

I imagine chrisco255 means nobody in his family.

someone7x 8y ago

> They were making the argument and affirming that they were discriminating based on political affiliation, in an attempt to show they were not discriminating based on race. It was a conscious legal strategy to admit this. Wow. Can't be racial prejudice if its already political prejudice. Reminds me of the court scene in New Jack City where the Wesley Snipes confesses to being a foot soldier and therefore he can't be the kingpin.

pathseeker 8y ago
>Wow. Can't be racial prejudice if its already political prejudice. It can, but it's not in many cases. I also know lots of conservatives who are not the strawman racists people on the left like to attack. They really only care that people don't vote in left-wing people. Keep in mind that suppressing the Democrat vote will dis-proportionally affect black people (as well as poor people, etc), but that doesn't mean the people trying to do it are prejudiced against black people. They are just prejudiced against Democrats.
- someone7x 8y ago
  I think you misunderstand me. It’s not that it’s a veneer, it’s that the veneer is tolerated despite resulting in voter suppression. Voter suppression should be a universal bad in a democracy no? It’s not only bad when done for racist ends.
- stretchwithme 8y ago
  Maybe they are just prejudiced against policies they don't agree with. Just like everybody else.

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gdix 8y ago

To me it's not clear if the court is leaving out some context here. "The State" may have mentioned that the counties were disproportionately democratic and disproportionately black in their justification but to say that WAS their justification could easily be editorialization on the part of the judge who wrote this.

refurb 8y ago

Wow! Talk about not providing context for that quote! The State's argument was voting hours were inconsistent across the state. The districts that offered additional voting opportunities, that other districts did not have, were predominantly African American and would vote Democratic. So their answer was to ban Sunday voting so that every district had the same window of opportunity to vote. One could argue that their solution wasn't the optimal one, but they were aiming to level the playing field.

gdix 8y ago
Thank you for adding this context. Some people appear to be dead set on spreading misinformation on issues like this.
wahern 8y ago
"In emails, state and county Republican officials lobbied members of at least 17 county election boards to keep early-voting sites open for shorter hours on weekends and in evenings – times that usually see disproportionately high turnout by Democratic voters. Reuters obtained the emails through a public records request." "The officials also urged county election boards to open fewer sites for residents to cast ballots during early voting that began on Oct. 20 and ends on Saturday." Source: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-northcarolina-insight-idUSKBN12Y0ZY?il=0 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-northcarolin... The reason inconsistencies existed is because there was a coordinated campaign in 2016 that made the holdouts appear inconsistent. This is classic voter suppression. There will always be different voting patterns among different groups. Identifying the patterns of your preferred group and then normalizing just those patterns is how suppression is accomplished, period. What blows my mind is that Republicans have been discussing these strategies freely and openly for years, and yet for some reason people still feel compelled to believe post hoc rationalizations. The Republican Party is morally bankrupt. America is an intrinsically conservative nation and conservatism will live on. But apologizing for the Republican Party and its politics... I find it inexcusable.
- refurb 8y ago
  The Republican Party is morally bankrupt. I would argue creating special voting opportunities (i.e. Sunday voting) that directly appeal to the people who vote for you is morally bankrupt.