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The Model 3 is a bit more expensive but not hugely so, and it’s waaaayyyy better. A lot of Model 3 buyers (myself included) are aware of the Bolt and just don’t
by mikeash 8y ago
The Model 3 is a bit more expensive but not hugely so, and it’s waaaayyyy better. A lot of Model 3 buyers (myself included) are aware of the Bolt and just don’t see it as competitive.
- cmrdporcupine 8y agoI don't know about US pricing generally -- but up here it's like a $20k CAD gap. They are not in the same bracket at all. Once subsidies are applied the Bolt and Volt are in the mid-tier middle-class buyer category competing with things like the VW Jetta or Honda Accord, etc. The Model 3 is a luxury car, in the same price range as an Audi A4 or A5, BMW 5 series, Mercedes, etc.
- mikeash 8y agoIn the US, the Bolt starts at $37,495 and the Model 3 currently starts at $47,200. (You may be slightly behind the times, the $47,200 version just became available in October.) The base Bolt is missing various things I'd consider to be fairly essential that are included in the $46,000 Model 3, such as forward collision warning/avoidance and fast charging, so the Bolt's base price is a bit deceptive.
- JackC 8y agoThat might be sticker price, but I'm seeing the Bolt in Massachusetts for more like $32,000 before subsidies with the upgrades you mention: https://drivegreen.greenenergyconsumers.org/form_cars.php https://drivegreen.greenenergyconsumers.org/form_cars.php So after subsidies prices end up at something like $22,000 vs. $37,000 -- it's a real gap.
- mikeash 8y agoInteresting, looks similar here in the DC area, if cars.com is to be believed. Goes to show how much worse (or, at least, less appealing) the Bolt is, if it’s being so heavily discounted and is still barely selling.
- rohit2412 8y agoWow the conversation went from "these cars are highly desirable, and GM doesn't want to sell them" to "these cars are shit, but a Tesla". I don't understand Elon musk fanclub
- mikeash 8y agoI never said they were highly desirable or that GM doesn’t want to sell them. It’s normal for different people to have different opinions.
- spectrum1234 8y agoTesla doesn't make ugly as fuck cars. Thats a huge reason I love my Model 3. Best looking car that exists in my opinion. Car companies: stop making disgusting hunks of metal.
- rohit2412 8y agoGM gave out around 5k$ dealer incentives as bolt subsidy. Please continue ignoring that GM had to subsidize their vehicles and still didn't have buyers, while chastating them. I don't think even Tesla could sell cars if they didn't have Elon musk's culty fanclub
- mikeash 8y agoHow is that last sentence connected to the rest of your comment?
- Marsymars 8y agoThe Model S launched in Canada at $64,500 in 2012. The cheapest Model 3 is now $60,100.
- gok 8y agoAgreed. I walked away from my Bolt test drive wondering who it was for. It's ugly and not fun to drive. The base price is low but lacks features that should have been standard 10 years ago (automatic headlights are optional!) Fast charging is an extra $750, and they have basically zero stations. You can't get all-wheel drive. The rear seats suck. The one feature I was really hoping a legacy car manufacturer would include was a spare tire, and they don't.
- jandrese 8y agoSpare tires are so dead on sedans. They're just so bulky and modern tires are so good and roadside assistance is a thing everywhere so they're just not worth it anymore.
- gok 8y agoI guess so. I ended up with a used Tesla. I remain worried someday I'll end up with a flat too far from help...
- mikestew 8y ago35 years of driving, I’m trying to remember the last time I changed a car tire. Oh, I know it happens, I plugged or replaced plenty in my days as a mechanic. But personally? A spare is dead weight. A roadside assistance card weighs a lot less.