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technically it was for hiring someone to murder a guy. Or are you implying that was entrapment? edit: i stand corrected

jstanley 8y ago
No, it wasn't for that. He was never charged with that and it is likely that those messages were sent by FBI agents trying to frame him. Or are you just trying to manipulate public opinion?
- branweb 8y ago
  No genuinely thought that's what they got him for. Should read up on it I guess.
- dragonwriter 8y ago
  > He was never charged with that It was explicitly a sentencing factor; the way federal criminal sentencing guidelines work, the charge sets the outer bound of punishment and influences the sentencing calculation, but other sentencing factors play a significant, often overwhelming, role in determining the actual sentence, so it's not at all inaccurate to say that a person is serving time for all of the things weighed in sentencing.
  - jstanley 8y ago
    I just tried to look this up and couldn't find a source that the alleged murder-for-hire was included in his sentencing. All I found was: > On the last day of trial, Serrin Turner, the NY lead prosecutor, addressed the jury and stated that none of the six contracted murders-for-hire allegations occurred. from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ross_Ulbricht https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ross_Ulbricht It seems like it would be unlikely to take the murder-for-hire allegations into account in the sentencing after the prosecution have already stated that they were false allegations.
    - dragonwriter 8y ago
      Wikipedia is a tertiary source; fact claims in it come in two forms: (1) Ones that cite no other source and should be viewed as extremely unreliable, and (2) Ones that cite some other source, which should be reviewed and evaluated to assess the claim. The one you point to is in the latter category, and cites as it's support a Guardian article which describes be prosecutor not as claiming that the six attempts to procure murders for hire had not occurred, but that he did not believe any of the murders Ulbricht had attempted to procure had occurred.
- jermaustin1 8y ago
  > likely that those messages were sent by FBI agents trying to frame him Do you have anything from a legitimate source on this? I'd like to read more. My understanding of this entire thing came largely from brief news reports on it.
  - jstanley 8y ago
    You can read about the corrupt FBI agents here: https://www.wired.com/2016/01/ross-ulbrichts-defense-focuses-on-corrupt-feds-in-silk-road-appeal/ https://www.wired.com/2016/01/ross-ulbrichts-defense-focuses... I recall reading that the FBI had admin access to the site at the time the incriminating messages were sent, which I'm still looking for a source for, so it's quite likely that the messages were sent by the corrupt agents. Particularly when you consider the libertarian ideology around Ross and the site in general. Soliciting a murder would be completely out of character.
    - jandrese 8y ago
      I don't think it's out of the question that he got in over his head and said "ok" to a guy offering to make the problem go away. For what it's worth, the FBI agents on that case ended up going to jail as well. The case was a huge mess.
divbyzer0 8y ago
On August 21, 2014, Ulbricht was charged with money laundering, computer hacking, and conspiracy to traffic narcotics. None of the procuring murder allegations were part of Ulbricht's indictment in New York, although the evidence was factored into Ulbricht's sentence. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ross_Ulbricht#Silk_Road,_arrest_and_trial https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ross_Ulbricht#Silk_Road,_arres...

No, it wasn't for that. He was never charged with that and it is likely that those messages were sent by FBI agents trying to frame him. Or are you just trying to manipulate public opinion?

branweb 8y ago
No genuinely thought that's what they got him for. Should read up on it I guess.
dragonwriter 8y ago
> He was never charged with that It was explicitly a sentencing factor; the way federal criminal sentencing guidelines work, the charge sets the outer bound of punishment and influences the sentencing calculation, but other sentencing factors play a significant, often overwhelming, role in determining the actual sentence, so it's not at all inaccurate to say that a person is serving time for all of the things weighed in sentencing.
- jstanley 8y ago
  I just tried to look this up and couldn't find a source that the alleged murder-for-hire was included in his sentencing. All I found was: > On the last day of trial, Serrin Turner, the NY lead prosecutor, addressed the jury and stated that none of the six contracted murders-for-hire allegations occurred. from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ross_Ulbricht https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ross_Ulbricht It seems like it would be unlikely to take the murder-for-hire allegations into account in the sentencing after the prosecution have already stated that they were false allegations.
  - dragonwriter 8y ago
    Wikipedia is a tertiary source; fact claims in it come in two forms: (1) Ones that cite no other source and should be viewed as extremely unreliable, and (2) Ones that cite some other source, which should be reviewed and evaluated to assess the claim. The one you point to is in the latter category, and cites as it's support a Guardian article which describes be prosecutor not as claiming that the six attempts to procure murders for hire had not occurred, but that he did not believe any of the murders Ulbricht had attempted to procure had occurred.
jermaustin1 8y ago
> likely that those messages were sent by FBI agents trying to frame him Do you have anything from a legitimate source on this? I'd like to read more. My understanding of this entire thing came largely from brief news reports on it.
- jstanley 8y ago
  You can read about the corrupt FBI agents here: https://www.wired.com/2016/01/ross-ulbrichts-defense-focuses-on-corrupt-feds-in-silk-road-appeal/ https://www.wired.com/2016/01/ross-ulbrichts-defense-focuses... I recall reading that the FBI had admin access to the site at the time the incriminating messages were sent, which I'm still looking for a source for, so it's quite likely that the messages were sent by the corrupt agents. Particularly when you consider the libertarian ideology around Ross and the site in general. Soliciting a murder would be completely out of character.
  - jandrese 8y ago
    I don't think it's out of the question that he got in over his head and said "ok" to a guy offering to make the problem go away. For what it's worth, the FBI agents on that case ended up going to jail as well. The case was a huge mess.

divbyzer0 8y ago

On August 21, 2014, Ulbricht was charged with money laundering, computer hacking, and conspiracy to traffic narcotics. None of the procuring murder allegations were part of Ulbricht's indictment in New York, although the evidence was factored into Ulbricht's sentence. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ross_Ulbricht#Silk_Road,_arrest_and_trial https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ross_Ulbricht#Silk_Road,_arres...