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What other snippets from the speech show he believed in permitting violence?

cultus 8y ago
It sure looks like another case of anti-Palestine groups conflating criticism of the apartheid policies of Israel with antisemitism. edit: As an example, look at the ADL's incredibly misleading take on the BDS movement: https://www.adl.org/what-we-do/israel/anti-israel-activity-bds https://www.adl.org/what-we-do/israel/anti-israel-activity-b...
empath75 8y ago
>“Contrary to western mythology, black resistance to American apartheid did not come purely through Ghandi and nonviolence," Hill said (see video below.) "Rather, slave revolts and self-defense and tactics otherwise divergent from Dr. King or Mahatma Gandhi were equally important to preserving safety and attaining freedom. If we are to operate in true solidarity with the Palestinian people, we must allow the Palestinian people the same range of opportunity and political possibility. If we are standing in solidarity with the Palestinian people, we must recognize the right of an occupied people to defend itself. We must prioritize peace, but we must not romanticize or fetishize it. We must advocate and promote nonviolence at every opportunity, but we cannot endorse a narrow politics of respectability that shames Palestinians for resisting, for refusing to do nothing in the face of state violence and ethnic cleansing
- cultus 8y ago
  He's not defending violence. The media has a long track record of portraying protests/etc by the Palestians as violent and terroristic, even when it is not. The Palestinians are commonly terrorized or even murdered by radical Israelis, but you never hear about that. The thing is, you cannot defeat oppression by engaging in decorum politics. That's not how the Civil Rights movement happened, contrary to popular belief. Ditto for about every other successful mass movement. By insisting the Palestinians only ask nicely for their basic human rights to be upheld, one becomes complicit.
judah 8y ago
Here's a piece of the speech where he argues that we should permit violence against Israelis: https://twitter.com/AviMayer/status/1067985406388510727 https://twitter.com/AviMayer/status/1067985406388510727
- deleted 8y ago
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so_tired 8y ago
> "a free Palestine from the river to the sea" (meaning the Jordan river to the Mediterranean sea). This is literally calling for a genocide of every Jewish person is Israel. Enough is Enough.
- lowry 8y ago
  Still free speech, though.
  - judah 8y ago
    Sure, he has the freedom to say it. And CNN has the freedom to terminate their contract with him.
    - lowry 8y ago
      Says the username judah :-)
      - dang 8y ago
        Since we just warned you about this, I've banned this account. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18564254 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18564254
- rl522002 8y ago
  What you fail to note is that Palestinians use this term in the context of demolishing Israeli apartheid policies and aggression towards the Palestinians for the past 70 years. It is Israel who uprooted them from their homes, it is Israel who occupied the WB and Gaza and it continues to be the aggressor. Even after multiple UN resolutions that call for the right of return for all Palestinians who were uprooted from their homeland in 1948, Israel turns a blind eye. Maybe because they feel they can get away with it and cry anti-semitism anytime someone criticizes Israeli policies. That's exactly what you're doing here, you are trying to steer the conversation away from the reality on the ground. The reality is that Gaza is an open-air prison, Israeli forces continue to shoot UNARMED civilians at the fence while they are protesting their UN right to return to their homeland. And instead of engaging in a discussion where we can lay out the facts, you cry anti-semitism because its the easy way out hoping the world will turn away. Just to note something there, there are many many Jews who criticize Israel and they stand up for the basic right of the Palestinian people. I would suggest taking a look at JVP, If Not Now and look at the works of Noam Chomsky and Ilan Pape. I highly suggest that if anyone is interested in this topic to visit the West Bank and see for yourself the brutality and occupation the Palestinians face on a daily basis. Don't fall for what the American media will feed you, you must see it for yourself as I have in the past summer. Its also important to note that Shaun King, BLM, and multiple Black activists/movements support the Palestinian movement towards their liberation. It's also important to note that recently Israel passed a law stating the even Palestinians who carry Israeli citizenship (which make up 20% of their population) are deemed as second class citizens. Here are some links: Ilan's Pape book: https://www.amazon.com/Ethnic-Cleansing-Palestine-Ilan-Pappe/dp/1851685553 https://www.amazon.com/Ethnic-Cleansing-Palestine-Ilan-Pappe... JVP: https://jewishvoiceforpeace.org/ https://jewishvoiceforpeace.org/ If Not Now: http://ifnotnowmovement.org/ http://ifnotnowmovement.org/

It sure looks like another case of anti-Palestine groups conflating criticism of the apartheid policies of Israel with antisemitism. edit: As an example, look at the ADL's incredibly misleading take on the BDS movement: https://www.adl.org/what-we-do/israel/anti-israel-activity-bds https://www.adl.org/what-we-do/israel/anti-israel-activity-b...

empath75 8y ago

>“Contrary to western mythology, black resistance to American apartheid did not come purely through Ghandi and nonviolence," Hill said (see video below.) "Rather, slave revolts and self-defense and tactics otherwise divergent from Dr. King or Mahatma Gandhi were equally important to preserving safety and attaining freedom. If we are to operate in true solidarity with the Palestinian people, we must allow the Palestinian people the same range of opportunity and political possibility. If we are standing in solidarity with the Palestinian people, we must recognize the right of an occupied people to defend itself. We must prioritize peace, but we must not romanticize or fetishize it. We must advocate and promote nonviolence at every opportunity, but we cannot endorse a narrow politics of respectability that shames Palestinians for resisting, for refusing to do nothing in the face of state violence and ethnic cleansing

cultus 8y ago
He's not defending violence. The media has a long track record of portraying protests/etc by the Palestians as violent and terroristic, even when it is not. The Palestinians are commonly terrorized or even murdered by radical Israelis, but you never hear about that. The thing is, you cannot defeat oppression by engaging in decorum politics. That's not how the Civil Rights movement happened, contrary to popular belief. Ditto for about every other successful mass movement. By insisting the Palestinians only ask nicely for their basic human rights to be upheld, one becomes complicit.

judah 8y ago

Here's a piece of the speech where he argues that we should permit violence against Israelis: https://twitter.com/AviMayer/status/1067985406388510727 https://twitter.com/AviMayer/status/1067985406388510727

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so_tired 8y ago

> "a free Palestine from the river to the sea" (meaning the Jordan river to the Mediterranean sea). This is literally calling for a genocide of every Jewish person is Israel. Enough is Enough.

lowry 8y ago
Still free speech, though.
- judah 8y ago
  Sure, he has the freedom to say it. And CNN has the freedom to terminate their contract with him.
  - lowry 8y ago
    Says the username judah :-)
    - dang 8y ago
      Since we just warned you about this, I've banned this account. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18564254 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18564254
rl522002 8y ago
What you fail to note is that Palestinians use this term in the context of demolishing Israeli apartheid policies and aggression towards the Palestinians for the past 70 years. It is Israel who uprooted them from their homes, it is Israel who occupied the WB and Gaza and it continues to be the aggressor. Even after multiple UN resolutions that call for the right of return for all Palestinians who were uprooted from their homeland in 1948, Israel turns a blind eye. Maybe because they feel they can get away with it and cry anti-semitism anytime someone criticizes Israeli policies. That's exactly what you're doing here, you are trying to steer the conversation away from the reality on the ground. The reality is that Gaza is an open-air prison, Israeli forces continue to shoot UNARMED civilians at the fence while they are protesting their UN right to return to their homeland. And instead of engaging in a discussion where we can lay out the facts, you cry anti-semitism because its the easy way out hoping the world will turn away. Just to note something there, there are many many Jews who criticize Israel and they stand up for the basic right of the Palestinian people. I would suggest taking a look at JVP, If Not Now and look at the works of Noam Chomsky and Ilan Pape. I highly suggest that if anyone is interested in this topic to visit the West Bank and see for yourself the brutality and occupation the Palestinians face on a daily basis. Don't fall for what the American media will feed you, you must see it for yourself as I have in the past summer. Its also important to note that Shaun King, BLM, and multiple Black activists/movements support the Palestinian movement towards their liberation. It's also important to note that recently Israel passed a law stating the even Palestinians who carry Israeli citizenship (which make up 20% of their population) are deemed as second class citizens. Here are some links: Ilan's Pape book: https://www.amazon.com/Ethnic-Cleansing-Palestine-Ilan-Pappe/dp/1851685553 https://www.amazon.com/Ethnic-Cleansing-Palestine-Ilan-Pappe... JVP: https://jewishvoiceforpeace.org/ https://jewishvoiceforpeace.org/ If Not Now: http://ifnotnowmovement.org/ http://ifnotnowmovement.org/