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I keep copies of these papers in a safe in case I never need to re-develop the Internet from scratch. No seriously, the Tor papers are amazing and even hint at

by vippy 8y ago

I keep copies of these papers in a safe in case I never need to re-develop the Internet from scratch. No seriously, the Tor papers are amazing and even hint at the means by which Tor might be manipulated to, say, track down someone like Ross Ulbricht, founder of the Silk Road, who is currently serving a double life sentence, plus forty years, without the possibility of parole.

snvzz 8y ago
>Ross Ulbricht, founder of the Silk Road, who is currently serving For running a free market. It's fucked up.
- onetimemanytime 8y ago
  Can I open e free market for contract killers? Lowest bidder and fastest killer would win
  - ohithereyou 8y ago
    Imagine what a mess the assassination insurance industry would be given how much of a mess that the health insurance industry is.
    - onetimemanytime 8y ago
      We (most of us) take it for granted but I'm pretty sure quite a few people are scared to death, dead man walking due to drug deals gone bad, extortion, blood feuds, kidnappings and so on. I'm sure super rich people have these conversations, just we discuss finding a cheap apartment. My view is that if someone wants you dead, it's just a matter or time, or price. Maybe the Pope and POTUS are out of reach, the rest if you can't finish them with a handgun you can with an Ar-15.
      - yellowapple 8y ago
        "Maybe the Pope and POTUS are out of reach" John F. Kennedy would like a word.
        onetimemanytime 8y ago
        As soon ans I'm done talking to Abraham Lincoln :) Now they shut entire cities
      - Consultant32452 8y ago
        There is an entire industry for kidnapping, ransom, and extortion insurance. Honestly, most kidnappings are parent without custody snagging their own kid. Rich kid kidnappings are a thing though.
    - berbec 8y ago
      US Liberals: We need single-payer hitmen! US Conservatives: Do you really want European-style socialism assassins?
  - andai 8y ago
    Word on the street is, there is a darknet site where you can bet money on what day someone's going to be assassinated. That way, a "volunteer" can bet on the correct day.
    - onetimemanytime 8y ago
      Or you can short the stock related to the person about to have a bad day, but that leaves a trail unless done carefully. Even if done carefully, too many people know the secret. At least two, or one more
    - starbeast 8y ago
      I really hope they called it 'Deadpool'.
- branweb 8y ago
  technically it was for hiring someone to murder a guy. Or are you implying that was entrapment? edit: i stand corrected
  - jstanley 8y ago
    No, it wasn't for that. He was never charged with that and it is likely that those messages were sent by FBI agents trying to frame him. Or are you just trying to manipulate public opinion?
    - branweb 8y ago
      No genuinely thought that's what they got him for. Should read up on it I guess.
    - dragonwriter 8y ago
      > He was never charged with that It was explicitly a sentencing factor; the way federal criminal sentencing guidelines work, the charge sets the outer bound of punishment and influences the sentencing calculation, but other sentencing factors play a significant, often overwhelming, role in determining the actual sentence, so it's not at all inaccurate to say that a person is serving time for all of the things weighed in sentencing.
      - jstanley 8y ago
        I just tried to look this up and couldn't find a source that the alleged murder-for-hire was included in his sentencing. All I found was: > On the last day of trial, Serrin Turner, the NY lead prosecutor, addressed the jury and stated that none of the six contracted murders-for-hire allegations occurred. from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ross_Ulbricht https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ross_Ulbricht It seems like it would be unlikely to take the murder-for-hire allegations into account in the sentencing after the prosecution have already stated that they were false allegations.
        dragonwriter 8y ago
- escape_goat 8y ago
  I believe that he was sentenced for money-laundering, hacking, and conspiracy to traffic narcotics. You do yourself no service to memoize this as "running a free market."
  - jMyles 8y ago
    > conspiracy to traffic narcotics I don't recognize this as a legitimate offense to law in a free society. I see it as, yes, "running a free market". That the state chooses to serve its interests by finding differently is unsurprising. But why do you?
- iondfgnio 8y ago
  Stop trying to rewrite history. He was convicted of running the market, but the reason the judge threw the book at him is because he tried to have five people killed. >Because it is contested, the Court must make appropriate factual findings if it is to include it. The standard by which I do that is by a preponderance of the evidence. Ulbricht's directed violence here is and relates to the murders for hire which he is alleged to have commissioned and paid for. The Court must determine whether these allegations have been demonstrated by a preponderance of the evidence and I find that there is ample and unambiguous evidence that Ulbricht commissioned five murders as part of his efforts to protect his criminal enterprise and that he paid for these murders. There is no evidence that he was role-playing. https://freeross.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Sentencing_2015-May-29.pdf https://freeross.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Sentencing_2... Maybe you think he didn't try to commission murders. Maybe you think judges shouldn't have so much latitude in deciding sentences. But the simple fact remains: Ulbricht is serving two life sentences mostly because the judge found that he tried to kill five people.
  - kodablah 8y ago
    > Maybe you think judges shouldn't have so much latitude in deciding sentences. Sure scares me. Why wasn't he tried for the other crimes if his punishment is going to be based on them? This isn't a little difference to take into account when sentencing, these are important crimes on their own deserving a right to trial.
    - plussed_reader 8y ago
      Because you take them down how you can; in a similar light how Capone was taken down on taxes and not murder, corruption, smuggling, or conspiracy. Or are all purveyors of the 'free market' automatically heroes in your eyes?
      - kodablah 8y ago
        > Or are all purveyors of the 'free market' automatically heroes in your eyes? No, I don't even like the guy. Why must I consider someone a hero to feel they deserve a trial for their punished actions?
rayvy 8y ago
I myself have read this particular paper a few times, and plan to put a fresh printed copy in a cover protector. Something about keeping this thing for years strikes a chord with me

by vippy 8y ago

snvzz 8y ago

>Ross Ulbricht, founder of the Silk Road, who is currently serving For running a free market. It's fucked up.

onetimemanytime 8y ago
Can I open e free market for contract killers? Lowest bidder and fastest killer would win
- ohithereyou 8y ago
  Imagine what a mess the assassination insurance industry would be given how much of a mess that the health insurance industry is.
  - onetimemanytime 8y ago
    We (most of us) take it for granted but I'm pretty sure quite a few people are scared to death, dead man walking due to drug deals gone bad, extortion, blood feuds, kidnappings and so on. I'm sure super rich people have these conversations, just we discuss finding a cheap apartment. My view is that if someone wants you dead, it's just a matter or time, or price. Maybe the Pope and POTUS are out of reach, the rest if you can't finish them with a handgun you can with an Ar-15.
    - yellowapple 8y ago
      "Maybe the Pope and POTUS are out of reach" John F. Kennedy would like a word.
      - onetimemanytime 8y ago
        As soon ans I'm done talking to Abraham Lincoln :) Now they shut entire cities
    - Consultant32452 8y ago
      There is an entire industry for kidnapping, ransom, and extortion insurance. Honestly, most kidnappings are parent without custody snagging their own kid. Rich kid kidnappings are a thing though.
  - berbec 8y ago
    US Liberals: We need single-payer hitmen! US Conservatives: Do you really want European-style socialism assassins?
- andai 8y ago
  Word on the street is, there is a darknet site where you can bet money on what day someone's going to be assassinated. That way, a "volunteer" can bet on the correct day.
  - onetimemanytime 8y ago
    Or you can short the stock related to the person about to have a bad day, but that leaves a trail unless done carefully. Even if done carefully, too many people know the secret. At least two, or one more
  - starbeast 8y ago
    I really hope they called it 'Deadpool'.
branweb 8y ago
technically it was for hiring someone to murder a guy. Or are you implying that was entrapment? edit: i stand corrected
- jstanley 8y ago
  No, it wasn't for that. He was never charged with that and it is likely that those messages were sent by FBI agents trying to frame him. Or are you just trying to manipulate public opinion?
  - branweb 8y ago
    No genuinely thought that's what they got him for. Should read up on it I guess.
  - dragonwriter 8y ago
    > He was never charged with that It was explicitly a sentencing factor; the way federal criminal sentencing guidelines work, the charge sets the outer bound of punishment and influences the sentencing calculation, but other sentencing factors play a significant, often overwhelming, role in determining the actual sentence, so it's not at all inaccurate to say that a person is serving time for all of the things weighed in sentencing.
    - jstanley 8y ago
      I just tried to look this up and couldn't find a source that the alleged murder-for-hire was included in his sentencing. All I found was: > On the last day of trial, Serrin Turner, the NY lead prosecutor, addressed the jury and stated that none of the six contracted murders-for-hire allegations occurred. from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ross_Ulbricht https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ross_Ulbricht It seems like it would be unlikely to take the murder-for-hire allegations into account in the sentencing after the prosecution have already stated that they were false allegations.
      - dragonwriter 8y ago
escape_goat 8y ago
I believe that he was sentenced for money-laundering, hacking, and conspiracy to traffic narcotics. You do yourself no service to memoize this as "running a free market."
- jMyles 8y ago
  > conspiracy to traffic narcotics I don't recognize this as a legitimate offense to law in a free society. I see it as, yes, "running a free market". That the state chooses to serve its interests by finding differently is unsurprising. But why do you?
iondfgnio 8y ago
Stop trying to rewrite history. He was convicted of running the market, but the reason the judge threw the book at him is because he tried to have five people killed. >Because it is contested, the Court must make appropriate factual findings if it is to include it. The standard by which I do that is by a preponderance of the evidence. Ulbricht's directed violence here is and relates to the murders for hire which he is alleged to have commissioned and paid for. The Court must determine whether these allegations have been demonstrated by a preponderance of the evidence and I find that there is ample and unambiguous evidence that Ulbricht commissioned five murders as part of his efforts to protect his criminal enterprise and that he paid for these murders. There is no evidence that he was role-playing. https://freeross.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Sentencing_2015-May-29.pdf https://freeross.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Sentencing_2... Maybe you think he didn't try to commission murders. Maybe you think judges shouldn't have so much latitude in deciding sentences. But the simple fact remains: Ulbricht is serving two life sentences mostly because the judge found that he tried to kill five people.
- kodablah 8y ago
  > Maybe you think judges shouldn't have so much latitude in deciding sentences. Sure scares me. Why wasn't he tried for the other crimes if his punishment is going to be based on them? This isn't a little difference to take into account when sentencing, these are important crimes on their own deserving a right to trial.
  - plussed_reader 8y ago
    Because you take them down how you can; in a similar light how Capone was taken down on taxes and not murder, corruption, smuggling, or conspiracy. Or are all purveyors of the 'free market' automatically heroes in your eyes?
    - kodablah 8y ago
      > Or are all purveyors of the 'free market' automatically heroes in your eyes? No, I don't even like the guy. Why must I consider someone a hero to feel they deserve a trial for their punished actions?

rayvy 8y ago

I myself have read this particular paper a few times, and plan to put a fresh printed copy in a cover protector. Something about keeping this thing for years strikes a chord with me