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The ocean is filled with nuclear waste world wide from one plant leaking. You can't eat food grown in huge areas of Europe. The last generation plants were a m

The ocean is filled with nuclear waste world wide from one plant leaking. You can't eat food grown in huge areas of Europe. The last generation plants were a military money hack. The plants that got funded interestingly were good at producing materials used for bombs. Not good designs that are financially viable without military money. Or even designs that are safe. They are too expensive to close down properly. That's why not one has been closed down in the USA. That's not a safe design. If the military jerks didn't hijack things so the power plants were designed wrong we would probably have had better designs made and more research going into the right directions. Instead we have a sea of toxic waste and bullshit plants to clean up. Blaming environmentalists is fucking stupid. What's your counter argument? Something like... War is peace, hate is love, ignorance is strength? Bullshit.

thrower123 8y ago
We effectively stalled development at those shitty plutonium makers because the greens got a hair across their ass and protested so much that they made it impossible to build better designs.
- paganel 8y ago
  As things stand right now nuclear power is a single point of failure because (as the OP rightly points out) it has been used and is still being used by different military organizations in order to build nuclear bombs, which nuclear bombs can literally wipe us all at this very moment, not in 10 years’ time, not in 20 years’ time, now. Yeah, I know the whole talk about how nuclear bombs have stopped a possible WWIII in its tracks (which is only proof of how schizoid we are as a species at this stage of our societal development) but I also know that single point of failures are really, really bad.
  - thrower123 8y ago
    I can make a truck bomb from commercial fertilizers, or I can grow a whole bunch of wheat and corn. Just because you can fuck things up with a particular technology isn't a great reason for disallowing the positive usages of it.
    - paganel 8y ago
      It’s pretty hard to blow up the entire world with commercial fertilizers while we can literally make the whole world un-habitable right now with “the help” of the existing nuclear arsenal. Scale matters.
    - AlexCoventry 8y ago
      In terms of pound-per-equivalent-pounds-of-TNT, the most powerful nuclear weapon is 7 million times more powerful than ANFO. That's a lot of fertilizer! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TNT_equivalent#RE_factor_examples https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TNT_equivalent#RE_factor_examp... See the ANFO and the "B41 nuclear bomb" entries in the tables linked there.
    - pjc50 8y ago
      > I can make a truck bomb from commercial fertilizers .. which is why in many countries they're either a semi-controlled substance, or deliberately adulterated with substances to fizzle the explosion. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6548961.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6548961.stm
Flip-per 8y ago
> You can't eat food grown in huge areas of Europe. Do you mean Tschernobyl? It depends how you define 'huge areas in Europe', there is a good overview on Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernobyl_disaster#National_and_international_spread_of_radioactive_substances https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernobyl_disaster#National_an... According to this table, 10 % of Austria is contamined with 37–185 kBq/m2 (lowest contamination of this table). You can eat food grown anywhere in Austria, I do not know where 'food not edible' starts. But just the fact that you now have to discuss such things is wrong enough.

thrower123 8y ago

We effectively stalled development at those shitty plutonium makers because the greens got a hair across their ass and protested so much that they made it impossible to build better designs.

paganel 8y ago
As things stand right now nuclear power is a single point of failure because (as the OP rightly points out) it has been used and is still being used by different military organizations in order to build nuclear bombs, which nuclear bombs can literally wipe us all at this very moment, not in 10 years’ time, not in 20 years’ time, now. Yeah, I know the whole talk about how nuclear bombs have stopped a possible WWIII in its tracks (which is only proof of how schizoid we are as a species at this stage of our societal development) but I also know that single point of failures are really, really bad.
- thrower123 8y ago
  I can make a truck bomb from commercial fertilizers, or I can grow a whole bunch of wheat and corn. Just because you can fuck things up with a particular technology isn't a great reason for disallowing the positive usages of it.
  - paganel 8y ago
    It’s pretty hard to blow up the entire world with commercial fertilizers while we can literally make the whole world un-habitable right now with “the help” of the existing nuclear arsenal. Scale matters.
  - AlexCoventry 8y ago
    In terms of pound-per-equivalent-pounds-of-TNT, the most powerful nuclear weapon is 7 million times more powerful than ANFO. That's a lot of fertilizer! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TNT_equivalent#RE_factor_examples https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TNT_equivalent#RE_factor_examp... See the ANFO and the "B41 nuclear bomb" entries in the tables linked there.
  - pjc50 8y ago
    > I can make a truck bomb from commercial fertilizers .. which is why in many countries they're either a semi-controlled substance, or deliberately adulterated with substances to fizzle the explosion. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6548961.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6548961.stm

Flip-per 8y ago

> You can't eat food grown in huge areas of Europe. Do you mean Tschernobyl? It depends how you define 'huge areas in Europe', there is a good overview on Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernobyl_disaster#National_and_international_spread_of_radioactive_substances https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernobyl_disaster#National_an... According to this table, 10 % of Austria is contamined with 37–185 kBq/m2 (lowest contamination of this table). You can eat food grown anywhere in Austria, I do not know where 'food not edible' starts. But just the fact that you now have to discuss such things is wrong enough.