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I'm old too and I truly believe that we will continue to be here 10-20 years from now with roughly the same world we've always had.

by eej71 8y ago

krisdol 8y ago
10-20 years ago places I lived and remembered being quite heavily snowy in the winter just get a bit of dusting at best now. New England has lost over 600 ski areas. There are fewer and fewer places with good enough conditions to grow coffee (a shame as I feel like the culture around fine coffee is just now coming into existence in the US). Enjoy oysters, clams, and scallops while you can as ocean acidification is killing them in droves. As soil heats due to global warming, it releases carbon dioxide, accelerating these effects. I don't think the world is the same for anyone working in these industries or in tourism. Folks on HN are also generally isolated from the effects of the kinds of droughts that caused the Arab Spring, or from having to home refugees of climate change whose islands are disappearing to the rising sea levels.
- thrower123 8y ago
  At least with the ski areas, gross mismanagement had a significant part to play. Saddleback mountain doesn't get any less snow than Sugarloaf or Sunday River, but it has been repeatedly run into the ground.
gglitch 8y ago
I'm up for a bet on whether Miami will be the same in 20 years.
- eej71 8y ago
  As in you think it would be "underwater" like venice?
pjc50 8y ago
Same world in most of the non-coastal parts of the West? Probably. Same world in a lot of low-lying or heat-sensitive third world countries? Probably not. It has been argued that Yemen is the first resource exhaustion war - the country has extremely limited water supplies. The West is going to have to look at the possibility of a lot of refugees in the future, with the option of taking them in or watching them die.
- eksemplar 8y ago
  The west won’t go free. Heatwaves have been killing thousands for the past decades in Europe, and extreme weather is really fucking with America. Being near the cost isn’t necessarily worse than being inland as the sea can help regulate the extreme temperatures. I live in a costal city which basically sits around 100meters above sea level, on a good foundation, so the higher amount of rainfall and increasing sea levels aren’t really a worry. I work in another city 40km in land. In the winter my work place can be absolutely frozen while my hometown sits around 0 degrees, and vice versa in the summer. We had a really bad heatwave this summer, but it was 5 degrees worse at my work place than my home. But basically you’re only going to be fine if you live as far north as Canada or northern Germany. You’re spot on about climate refugees though. Syria was/is a war about water control, and now Yemen is in the same boat. The real worry isn’t that though. It’s all the methane gas locked in the permafrost. It might make the air unbreatheable to humans, and then the rest really won’t matter.
craftyguy 8y ago
> I'm old too That doesn't mean you get to mess it up for the rest of us.

I'm old too and I truly believe that we will continue to be here 10-20 years from now with roughly the same world we've always had.

by eej71 8y ago

I'm old too and I truly believe that we will continue to be here 10-20 years from now with roughly the same world we've always had.

krisdol 8y ago

10-20 years ago places I lived and remembered being quite heavily snowy in the winter just get a bit of dusting at best now. New England has lost over 600 ski areas. There are fewer and fewer places with good enough conditions to grow coffee (a shame as I feel like the culture around fine coffee is just now coming into existence in the US). Enjoy oysters, clams, and scallops while you can as ocean acidification is killing them in droves. As soil heats due to global warming, it releases carbon dioxide, accelerating these effects. I don't think the world is the same for anyone working in these industries or in tourism. Folks on HN are also generally isolated from the effects of the kinds of droughts that caused the Arab Spring, or from having to home refugees of climate change whose islands are disappearing to the rising sea levels.

thrower123 8y ago
At least with the ski areas, gross mismanagement had a significant part to play. Saddleback mountain doesn't get any less snow than Sugarloaf or Sunday River, but it has been repeatedly run into the ground.

gglitch 8y ago

I'm up for a bet on whether Miami will be the same in 20 years.

eej71 8y ago
As in you think it would be "underwater" like venice?

pjc50 8y ago

Same world in most of the non-coastal parts of the West? Probably. Same world in a lot of low-lying or heat-sensitive third world countries? Probably not. It has been argued that Yemen is the first resource exhaustion war - the country has extremely limited water supplies. The West is going to have to look at the possibility of a lot of refugees in the future, with the option of taking them in or watching them die.

eksemplar 8y ago
The west won’t go free. Heatwaves have been killing thousands for the past decades in Europe, and extreme weather is really fucking with America. Being near the cost isn’t necessarily worse than being inland as the sea can help regulate the extreme temperatures. I live in a costal city which basically sits around 100meters above sea level, on a good foundation, so the higher amount of rainfall and increasing sea levels aren’t really a worry. I work in another city 40km in land. In the winter my work place can be absolutely frozen while my hometown sits around 0 degrees, and vice versa in the summer. We had a really bad heatwave this summer, but it was 5 degrees worse at my work place than my home. But basically you’re only going to be fine if you live as far north as Canada or northern Germany. You’re spot on about climate refugees though. Syria was/is a war about water control, and now Yemen is in the same boat. The real worry isn’t that though. It’s all the methane gas locked in the permafrost. It might make the air unbreatheable to humans, and then the rest really won’t matter.

craftyguy 8y ago

> I'm old too That doesn't mean you get to mess it up for the rest of us.