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Mixed results. Mostly unimpressive. The Mura Masa mix was a bit of a more interesting experience: you could tell they'd put some thought into it. Edit: From th

Mixed results. Mostly unimpressive. The Mura Masa mix was a bit of a more interesting experience: you could tell they'd put some thought into it. Edit: From the comments I'm starting to wonder if certain people perceive this effect differently. I'm very much on team "so you discovered the pan nob?" but the way people are talking, I have to assume that there's two groups of people having two wildly different experiences.

HocusLocus 8y ago
This is a young generation who grew up hearing cellphone speakers, trashy computer speakers placed close together (because the manufacturer thought 3' wire was cheap enough), and earbuds that deliver sound but fail to isolate environment noise, so the brain is assaulted with near-mono information. These people have never experienced true stereo: wide separation. So flanging has been rediscovered and is considered amazing, just as when it was applied to guitar signals in the '70s.
- smcl 8y ago
  Come on, the majority of people regardless of their generation will have grown up playing music on dodgy speakers, whether that's 8 track player in a car, a portable transistor radio, a boombox running on D-cells or a CD player with builtin speakers. Yes I think it's dumb when people listen to music on their phone speakers. No this doesn't mean they're any different from the rest of us. This is just "pssh, kids these days!" spread out over a few sentences.
  - HocusLocus 8y ago
    Yes I'm an old codger saying keep off my lawn, but it's more than that. These kids were cheated in the quality department. Audio experience delivered to consumers has degraded across the spectrum because of diminished expectations and mass production choices. I have a mono '70s portable radio with a 6" permanent magnet speaker cone that delivers such impressive bass you forgive the distortion. Boom boxes of the 70s with even simple crossovers and dual/triple speakers per channel were magnificent, but large. The irony is that as the quality of magnets and materials improved, the industry was already on a track that emphasized smallness and thinness over everything else. I could sketch a graph that shows general improvement of quality over time for everyone, because that was the expectation. Then it plateaus right around the time mass production was shifted from Japan to China, and a separate overlapping curve which represents those who can discern quality and are willing to pay arises. Today if you can discern quality of sound reproduction you are part of a small captive audience and despite improved technology and materials, your choices are limited unless your funds are unlimited. Simpler put, 'high fidelity' has become a boutique item. And as expectations fall, it's going out of fashion.
mb_72 8y ago
I can also only assume the same thing (and I'm on your team - I've listened using decent but not awesome headphones i.e. HD 380 pros); the large number of 'OMG this has changed my life' comments on the various videos seem to indicate there is some kind of good experience to be had here by somebody (just not me!)

HocusLocus 8y ago

This is a young generation who grew up hearing cellphone speakers, trashy computer speakers placed close together (because the manufacturer thought 3' wire was cheap enough), and earbuds that deliver sound but fail to isolate environment noise, so the brain is assaulted with near-mono information. These people have never experienced true stereo: wide separation. So flanging has been rediscovered and is considered amazing, just as when it was applied to guitar signals in the '70s.

smcl 8y ago
Come on, the majority of people regardless of their generation will have grown up playing music on dodgy speakers, whether that's 8 track player in a car, a portable transistor radio, a boombox running on D-cells or a CD player with builtin speakers. Yes I think it's dumb when people listen to music on their phone speakers. No this doesn't mean they're any different from the rest of us. This is just "pssh, kids these days!" spread out over a few sentences.
- HocusLocus 8y ago
  Yes I'm an old codger saying keep off my lawn, but it's more than that. These kids were cheated in the quality department. Audio experience delivered to consumers has degraded across the spectrum because of diminished expectations and mass production choices. I have a mono '70s portable radio with a 6" permanent magnet speaker cone that delivers such impressive bass you forgive the distortion. Boom boxes of the 70s with even simple crossovers and dual/triple speakers per channel were magnificent, but large. The irony is that as the quality of magnets and materials improved, the industry was already on a track that emphasized smallness and thinness over everything else. I could sketch a graph that shows general improvement of quality over time for everyone, because that was the expectation. Then it plateaus right around the time mass production was shifted from Japan to China, and a separate overlapping curve which represents those who can discern quality and are willing to pay arises. Today if you can discern quality of sound reproduction you are part of a small captive audience and despite improved technology and materials, your choices are limited unless your funds are unlimited. Simpler put, 'high fidelity' has become a boutique item. And as expectations fall, it's going out of fashion.

mb_72 8y ago

I can also only assume the same thing (and I'm on your team - I've listened using decent but not awesome headphones i.e. HD 380 pros); the large number of 'OMG this has changed my life' comments on the various videos seem to indicate there is some kind of good experience to be had here by somebody (just not me!)