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Funny how the author gave this talk in honor of Felleisen's on his 60th birthday. "Hi, to honor you I'll talk about how one of your better known works is incomp

Funny how the author gave this talk in honor of Felleisen's on his 60th birthday. "Hi, to honor you I'll talk about how one of your better known works is incomplete and only shows half of the picture". I started reading HTDP long ago but at the time I made the huge mistake of taking a detour to learn Racket, and later Scheme... HTDP provides small languages just to save students from the herculean effort of having to learn a whole programming language and environment. Way to miss the point. Anyway, there's some associated documentation on the Racket site about a library called "2htdp/universe" [1]. The architecture described is very close to the so called "ELM architecture" [2] or even Redux [3]. Probably (maybe?) there's no relation though, since coming to this architecture appears to be really natural when working with functional programming languages. 1: https://docs.racket-lang.org/teachpack/2htdpuniverse.html#%28part._world._interactive%29 https://docs.racket-lang.org/teachpack/2htdpuniverse.html#%2... 2: https://guide.elm-lang.org/architecture/ https://guide.elm-lang.org/architecture/ 3: https://redux.js.org/ https://redux.js.org/

geezerjay 8y ago
> "Hi, to honor you I'll talk about how one of your better known works is incomplete and only shows half of the picture". ...or, you know, that old "standing on the shoulders of giants" thing.
- guest2143 8y ago
  Newton's "..standing on the shoulders of giants..." was a dig at Hook (who was short). It's Isaac being an arrogant jerk, which he was in spades. (Even if he revolutionized thinking in a number of areas.) It's not a statement of humbleness..
  - emmanueloga_ 8y ago
    I don't know, I heard this interpretation before but honestly the phrase makes sense when interpreted the other way around too, so way not just take the first meaning. The dig at Hook is a fun knowledge nugget anyway, that silly Isaac. :-p
  - geezerjay 8y ago
    > Newton's "..standing on the shoulders of giants..." was a dig at Hook The quote precedes Newton by half a millennia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standing_on_the_shoulders_of_giants https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standing_on_the_shoulders_of_g...
justinpombrio 8y ago
Matthias once told me that the people who point out flaws in your work are your friends.
- emmanueloga_ 8y ago
  This is a nice philosophy, thanks for sharing that :-)

geezerjay 8y ago

> "Hi, to honor you I'll talk about how one of your better known works is incomplete and only shows half of the picture". ...or, you know, that old "standing on the shoulders of giants" thing.

guest2143 8y ago
Newton's "..standing on the shoulders of giants..." was a dig at Hook (who was short). It's Isaac being an arrogant jerk, which he was in spades. (Even if he revolutionized thinking in a number of areas.) It's not a statement of humbleness..
- emmanueloga_ 8y ago
  I don't know, I heard this interpretation before but honestly the phrase makes sense when interpreted the other way around too, so way not just take the first meaning. The dig at Hook is a fun knowledge nugget anyway, that silly Isaac. :-p
- geezerjay 8y ago
  > Newton's "..standing on the shoulders of giants..." was a dig at Hook The quote precedes Newton by half a millennia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standing_on_the_shoulders_of_giants https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standing_on_the_shoulders_of_g...

justinpombrio 8y ago

Matthias once told me that the people who point out flaws in your work are your friends.

emmanueloga_ 8y ago
This is a nice philosophy, thanks for sharing that :-)