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> Are you assuming that each of those 75,000 people pays property tax? Yes, because effectively, they are. Renters pay for it through their rent (landlords don

> Are you assuming that each of those 75,000 people pays property tax? Yes, because effectively, they are. Renters pay for it through their rent (landlords don't just eat costs for free) and obviously children don't pay for their own, and homeless folks don't and such. But effectively, most every resident is paying property taxes (or someone is paying their share for them) in some way or another. > I too will engage in your random exercise. Let's pick Paso Robles, CA So, using your approach for the suburb I picked, all road construction + maintenance + repair costs are about 20% of the total suburban budget. Approximately $8/person/month. (This is in Michigan, where we have snow+ice+flooding for 6 months straight each year, so that seems totally reasonable to me.) Using your own link for Paso Robles to the budget they provided, they're devoting 12.1% of property taxes to street maintenance. With ~29k people, that's ~$4/person/month. So, your suburb spends even less to maintain their roads (per capita) than mine does. Isn't that a good thing? Doesn't that just further reinforce the fact that there is no coming "infrastructure apocalypse" for roads? If Paso Robles needed to double their entire road budget for some magical reason, you'd still be paying less than what folks up here already pay every single year. > In fact, if you look at the city budget, property tax can barely pay for the public works of the city. Without other sources of revenue, the city would fall woefully behind on its payments. Isn't that also a good thing? In a perfect world, the total taxes collected would pay for all the services provided, with a little set aside for a rainy day and nothing more left over.

Karrot_Kream 8y ago
> Yes, because effectively, they are. Renters pay for it through their rent (landlords don't just eat costs for free) and obviously children don't pay for their own, and homeless folks don't and such. But effectively, most every resident is paying property taxes (or someone is paying their share for them) in some way or another. I think this is a weak argument you're using to make the price per capita seem low. If your income is $10 / mo, and you pay $4 in property tax, then you are spending 40% of your income in property tax. > Using your own link for Paso Robles to the budget they provided, they're devoting 12.1% of property taxes to street maintenance. With ~29k people, that's ~$4/person/month. That's still 12.1%. Whether it's $4/person/month or $1/person/month, it's 12.1% of property tax. > If Paso Robles needed to double their entire road budget for some magical reason, you'd still be paying less than what folks up here already pay every single year Again, how does that matter? The city will now be paying 24.2% of their property tax on road maintenance, leaving a shortfall. > Isn't that also a good thing? In a perfect world, the total taxes collected would pay for all the services provided, with a little set aside for a rainy day and nothing more left over. Right but what about emergency services, and city vehicle fleet maintenance, and sewage, and parks... The property tax cannot pay for all services associated with the sprawl. Oh and building new infrastructure. The city relies on a bevy of other taxes and entitlements to pay their budget, including various State transportation subsidies.
- code_duck 8y ago
  “If your income is $10 / mo, and you pay $4 in property tax, then you are spending 40% of your income in property tax.” Those numbers don’t seem very realistic?

Karrot_Kream 8y ago

> Yes, because effectively, they are. Renters pay for it through their rent (landlords don't just eat costs for free) and obviously children don't pay for their own, and homeless folks don't and such. But effectively, most every resident is paying property taxes (or someone is paying their share for them) in some way or another. I think this is a weak argument you're using to make the price per capita seem low. If your income is $10 / mo, and you pay $4 in property tax, then you are spending 40% of your income in property tax. > Using your own link for Paso Robles to the budget they provided, they're devoting 12.1% of property taxes to street maintenance. With ~29k people, that's ~$4/person/month. That's still 12.1%. Whether it's $4/person/month or $1/person/month, it's 12.1% of property tax. > If Paso Robles needed to double their entire road budget for some magical reason, you'd still be paying less than what folks up here already pay every single year Again, how does that matter? The city will now be paying 24.2% of their property tax on road maintenance, leaving a shortfall. > Isn't that also a good thing? In a perfect world, the total taxes collected would pay for all the services provided, with a little set aside for a rainy day and nothing more left over. Right but what about emergency services, and city vehicle fleet maintenance, and sewage, and parks... The property tax cannot pay for all services associated with the sprawl. Oh and building new infrastructure. The city relies on a bevy of other taxes and entitlements to pay their budget, including various State transportation subsidies.

code_duck 8y ago
“If your income is $10 / mo, and you pay $4 in property tax, then you are spending 40% of your income in property tax.” Those numbers don’t seem very realistic?