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Do they really need it, the trust among employers? Other companies don't, take Amazon or Oracle for example, and they are doing pretty well.

by snaky 8y ago

skybrian 8y ago
It's not a question with a yes or no answer. Employee morale can be better or worse, and different for different teams. The whole notion is just a vague average. Arguably it's more important at Google to the extent that they attracted idealists.
tanilama 8y ago
Not all employees are concerned, only some of them. I think Google employees might find that they aren't that important in the company's agenda, however loud they are.
mtgx 8y ago
Does apple really need to make the quality and innovative products they've been know for? No, and they have a lot of money to survive for a long time even with completely incompetent leadership. But would giving up the company's core values that be the best thing to do for apple? Probably not. Give this a watch and then ask yourself "why" would people still go out of their way to support Google as a company and its products.
- snaky 8y ago
  There is a difference. Apple is selling their products in the top market segment, where consumers are usually consider an image, associated with the vendor and the products, as a big part of what they pay premium for. This works in many ways, an image of ethical vendor - in so many ways, from labour conditions for its' workers to support for Greenpeace and the attitude toward selling the customer's data - and an image of themselves, using the premium products, therefore being successful people, and all that. This model needs passionate consumers who support Apple and its products. Google is not targeting the top market segment only. People buy Android smartphones and use Google services because it works well for them, and they do not want to pay the premium for an image, and basically do not care about an image associated with the vendor. This model does not need passionate consumers who support Google and its products.
  - fauigerzigerk 8y ago
    Your theory is not supported by reality though. Apple's Chinese iCloud operations are now run by a government owned company (GCBD). Apple simply handed over the keys to them in order to "improve iCloud services in China and comply with Chinese regulations" (https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208351 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208351). From the terms of service: "You understand and agree that Apple and GCBD will have access to all data that you store on this service" https://www.apple.com/legal/internet-services/icloud/en/gcbd-terms.html https://www.apple.com/legal/internet-services/icloud/en/gcbd... All major tech companies take the same approach to China: "We comply with local laws and regulations". Everything else is just smoke and mirrors.
Markoff 8y ago
they are definitely losing trust among EU customers as well

Do they really need it, the trust among employers? Other companies don't, take Amazon or Oracle for example, and they are doing pretty well.

by snaky 8y ago

Do they really need it, the trust among employers? Other companies don't, take Amazon or Oracle for example, and they are doing pretty well.

skybrian 8y ago

It's not a question with a yes or no answer. Employee morale can be better or worse, and different for different teams. The whole notion is just a vague average. Arguably it's more important at Google to the extent that they attracted idealists.

tanilama 8y ago

Not all employees are concerned, only some of them. I think Google employees might find that they aren't that important in the company's agenda, however loud they are.

mtgx 8y ago

Does apple really need to make the quality and innovative products they've been know for? No, and they have a lot of money to survive for a long time even with completely incompetent leadership. But would giving up the company's core values that be the best thing to do for apple? Probably not. Give this a watch and then ask yourself "why" would people still go out of their way to support Google as a company and its products.

snaky 8y ago
There is a difference. Apple is selling their products in the top market segment, where consumers are usually consider an image, associated with the vendor and the products, as a big part of what they pay premium for. This works in many ways, an image of ethical vendor - in so many ways, from labour conditions for its' workers to support for Greenpeace and the attitude toward selling the customer's data - and an image of themselves, using the premium products, therefore being successful people, and all that. This model needs passionate consumers who support Apple and its products. Google is not targeting the top market segment only. People buy Android smartphones and use Google services because it works well for them, and they do not want to pay the premium for an image, and basically do not care about an image associated with the vendor. This model does not need passionate consumers who support Google and its products.
- fauigerzigerk 8y ago
  Your theory is not supported by reality though. Apple's Chinese iCloud operations are now run by a government owned company (GCBD). Apple simply handed over the keys to them in order to "improve iCloud services in China and comply with Chinese regulations" (https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208351 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208351). From the terms of service: "You understand and agree that Apple and GCBD will have access to all data that you store on this service" https://www.apple.com/legal/internet-services/icloud/en/gcbd-terms.html https://www.apple.com/legal/internet-services/icloud/en/gcbd... All major tech companies take the same approach to China: "We comply with local laws and regulations". Everything else is just smoke and mirrors.

Markoff 8y ago

they are definitely losing trust among EU customers as well