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One would hope that a free country would arrest people who commit crimes and not people who share a religion or race as people who commit crimes. If your broth

by mabbo 8y ago

One would hope that a free country would arrest people who commit crimes and not people who share a religion or race as people who commit crimes. If your brother commits murder, should the police arrest you?

monocasa 8y ago
You should ask George Takei; his whole family was thrown in an internment camp here in the US. And none of them committed any crimes at all.
- whoelse9209 8y ago
  Was that the right action to take? Do you agree with that decision?
  - monocasa 8y ago
    As I've said below when there's a media blitz from one geopolitical sphere of influence about the actions of another sphere, when those exact actions have happened in the past in the first sphere, and as far as we can tell would happen in the future I get very worried. That generally gets used to harm way more people than the original action. And that goes double in cases where there's very low levels of information out of the area.
- Silfen 8y ago
  Yeah, and I would be surprised to find a person here who praises that policy. This is textbook, premium grade whataboutism.
  - monocasa 8y ago
    "Whataboutism" is the new phrase to shoot down any comparisons. And you can certainly find plenty of people in America supporting the immigrant camps, which Takei has called worse than his internment.
- AnimalMuppet 8y ago
  And everybody recognizes that was wrong. We're trying to be better than we were then.
  - monocasa 8y ago
    Takei has called the immigrant camps worse than his internment. You can find plenty of Americans who support those today.
  - ionised 8y ago
    Doesn't seem that way.
- _iyig 8y ago
  There is a monument to this injustice in Washington, D.C.; growing up in the 90s, I read children’s books which taught how unfair, racist, senseless, and counter-productive Japanese internment turned out to be. Why do you think one crime justifies another?
  - monocasa 8y ago
    The monument is actually a monument to those who remained patriotic despite the injustice rather than any sort of apology. It specifically excludes those who wouldn't call themselves patriotic after their country put their whole family in a camp and stole their land. And I have zero confidence that we wouldn't do the same thing today in a heartbeat. Also, going to throw out there that the Japanese internment covered all Japanese on the west coast. The Uighur estimates are single digits percentages of all Uighur population in China. It's not that I think one crime justifies another. It's that the current poitical appartus of the past 30 years or so justifies it's actions in the now to those with traditionally liberal sensibilities with trumped up outrage over low information situations that when all of the facts are in turns out to be something we would totally do or have recently done. Iraq wasn't putting babies in incubators. We didn't have to invade a country to kill bin Laden (we ended up doing that in a country that was protecting him, but had nukes so they were off limits). Iraq didn't have a nuclear program or any yellow cake. etc. etc.
    - _iyig 8y ago
      That is an incomplete description of the memorial. In addition to the names of Japanese-Americans who died fighting for the U.S., it specifically memorializes the injustice of the internment camps. “The focal point of the memorial is a sculpture of two bronze cranes, tangled in barbed wire. Around the memorial is a curved wall, listing the name of each internment camp along with the number of people held there, as well as a list of all the Japanese Americans who died in combat in WWII.” https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/memorial-to-japaneseamerican-patriotism-in-world-war-ii https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/memorial-to-japaneseamer...
TazeTSchnitzel 8y ago
If the police arrest you because your brother committed a murder you have no connection to, are you going to feel good about authority later and not sympathise with his ideals?
odiroot 8y ago
It's China so as usual they are heavy-handed but they did solve the problem. Most possibly they looked at Russia and their failed attempt to curb Islamic terrorism.

by mabbo 8y ago

monocasa 8y ago

You should ask George Takei; his whole family was thrown in an internment camp here in the US. And none of them committed any crimes at all.

whoelse9209 8y ago
Was that the right action to take? Do you agree with that decision?
- monocasa 8y ago
  As I've said below when there's a media blitz from one geopolitical sphere of influence about the actions of another sphere, when those exact actions have happened in the past in the first sphere, and as far as we can tell would happen in the future I get very worried. That generally gets used to harm way more people than the original action. And that goes double in cases where there's very low levels of information out of the area.
Silfen 8y ago
Yeah, and I would be surprised to find a person here who praises that policy. This is textbook, premium grade whataboutism.
- monocasa 8y ago
  "Whataboutism" is the new phrase to shoot down any comparisons. And you can certainly find plenty of people in America supporting the immigrant camps, which Takei has called worse than his internment.
AnimalMuppet 8y ago
And everybody recognizes that was wrong. We're trying to be better than we were then.
- monocasa 8y ago
  Takei has called the immigrant camps worse than his internment. You can find plenty of Americans who support those today.
- ionised 8y ago
  Doesn't seem that way.
_iyig 8y ago
There is a monument to this injustice in Washington, D.C.; growing up in the 90s, I read children’s books which taught how unfair, racist, senseless, and counter-productive Japanese internment turned out to be. Why do you think one crime justifies another?
- monocasa 8y ago
  The monument is actually a monument to those who remained patriotic despite the injustice rather than any sort of apology. It specifically excludes those who wouldn't call themselves patriotic after their country put their whole family in a camp and stole their land. And I have zero confidence that we wouldn't do the same thing today in a heartbeat. Also, going to throw out there that the Japanese internment covered all Japanese on the west coast. The Uighur estimates are single digits percentages of all Uighur population in China. It's not that I think one crime justifies another. It's that the current poitical appartus of the past 30 years or so justifies it's actions in the now to those with traditionally liberal sensibilities with trumped up outrage over low information situations that when all of the facts are in turns out to be something we would totally do or have recently done. Iraq wasn't putting babies in incubators. We didn't have to invade a country to kill bin Laden (we ended up doing that in a country that was protecting him, but had nukes so they were off limits). Iraq didn't have a nuclear program or any yellow cake. etc. etc.
  - _iyig 8y ago
    That is an incomplete description of the memorial. In addition to the names of Japanese-Americans who died fighting for the U.S., it specifically memorializes the injustice of the internment camps. “The focal point of the memorial is a sculpture of two bronze cranes, tangled in barbed wire. Around the memorial is a curved wall, listing the name of each internment camp along with the number of people held there, as well as a list of all the Japanese Americans who died in combat in WWII.” https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/memorial-to-japaneseamerican-patriotism-in-world-war-ii https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/memorial-to-japaneseamer...

TazeTSchnitzel 8y ago

If the police arrest you because your brother committed a murder you have no connection to, are you going to feel good about authority later and not sympathise with his ideals?

odiroot 8y ago

It's China so as usual they are heavy-handed but they did solve the problem. Most possibly they looked at Russia and their failed attempt to curb Islamic terrorism.