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It's not too surprising for a city where a policeman can make $150k (base and overtime) year just after 8 years in service.

dsfyu404ed 8y ago
Actually working or the phantom overtime that's popular with many big city police departments?
- tooltalk 8y ago
  Not saying all cops are overpaid, but probably a healthy mix of the two: https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2018/04/16/leaked-nypd-disciplinary-records-released-online/amp/ https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2018/04/16/leaked-ny... Some seem to believe NYC is one of the most progressive places in the country, but may not realize it's also known for most corrupt politicians and public servants.
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  - dsfyu404ed 8y ago
    >Some seem to believe NYC is one of the most progressive places in the country, but may not realize it's also known for most corrupt politicians and public servants. Boston is terrible but nobody notices because NYC is nearby. NYC is pretty bad but they look good when compared to NJ that's the same but doesn't have the money to cover it up. NJ points at Chicago and say "well at least we can afford to buy the court system so our politicians stay out of jail". I had a family member in state government. Even in some unremarkable department corruption is everywhere. There was a Greek philosopher who said something like "more laws = more corruption". He was on to something. Too bad being in favor of big government is a prerequisite for being "progressive" these days.
    - ambicapter 8y ago
      Well if your platform is "Some Greek guy said something one time that agrees with me, I'm not sure what he said exactly", no wonder not many people are aligning themselves to your cause.
      - dsfyu404ed 8y ago
        "Corruptissima re publica plurimae leges." https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Tacitus https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Tacitus (he was Roman, my bad.) It's not so much who said it as someone said it a long, long time ago. This is the societal equivalent of someone complaining about a bug in the alpha version then the bug winds up getting shipped.
dba7dba 8y ago
Hey in some places, you can work ONE shift and get paid for double pay. https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-drop-one-day-rule-20180218-story.html https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-drop-one-day-rule-... And many use (or abuse) disability program and earn half a million or a million easy. Another very 'progressive' city.
RobLach 8y ago
Isn’t FAANG starting getting there?
thrownaway954 8y ago
that's so relative. It is sooooo much more expensive to live up in New York with the cost of living higher than most states and all the taxes you have to pay... Remember that you have fed and state... also if you work in NYC you have to pay a special tax. Top that off if you live in NJ and work in NYC, you're really paying alot in taxes. So your 150K might be down to 80K after all the taxes and commuter fees (like tolls) you have to pay.
- zjaffee 8y ago
  Except civic workers should be making middle class wages, especially ones that don't require extensive education. Why should a gilded class of unionized workers get these huge individual wages when the median family income there is still hovering around 55k.
  - hondo77 8y ago
    Why shouldn't they?
  - ForHackernews 8y ago
    Why should a gilded class of web developers doing jobs that don't require extensive education get these huge individual wages when the median family income there is still hovering around 55k?
    - zjaffee 8y ago
      Because there's demand for developers that supply cannot meet, the demand to take on a civic job in NYC is tremendous, yet we constrain supply of these workers by paying very high wages. These organizations are crippling the cities ability to deliver services, if wages were 2/3s of what they were now, they could hire far more employees and potentially provide better services all around. Additionally, public sector unions are completely different than private sector ones. Concessions should be made to workers at the expense of capital not workers who make less than them.
      - 8y ago
walru 8y ago
If officers who put their life on the line in the most populated/congested city for 150k are overpaid, then I'd like to talk to some software developers in San Francisco.
- paulie_a 8y ago
  Being a cop in NYC is statistically not very dangerous. Sanitation workers also put their lives on the line. And have more deaths.
  - will_brown 8y ago
    Probably more dangerous than the software developers.
    - darpa_escapee 8y ago
      Given that nearly half of work-related casualties police officers experience come down to things like heart attacks on the job, I'd be interested in seeing the statistics. Sitting in front of a computer cannot be good for long-term heart health. Either way, it's more dangerous to be a pizza delivery boy than it is to be a cop.
- pessimizer 8y ago
  Being a police officer is less dangerous than being a house painter, convenience store clerk, taxi driver, or any of a multitude of jobs in which you are not given a stick and a gun and encouraged to use them freely.
- zjaffee 8y ago
  Yes, because there are thousands of people who'd happily take their job at 60k and are just as qualified to do so.
  - walru 8y ago
    And live in NYC? That's poverty level.

dsfyu404ed 8y ago

Actually working or the phantom overtime that's popular with many big city police departments?

tooltalk 8y ago
Not saying all cops are overpaid, but probably a healthy mix of the two: https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2018/04/16/leaked-nypd-disciplinary-records-released-online/amp/ https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2018/04/16/leaked-ny... Some seem to believe NYC is one of the most progressive places in the country, but may not realize it's also known for most corrupt politicians and public servants.
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- dsfyu404ed 8y ago
  >Some seem to believe NYC is one of the most progressive places in the country, but may not realize it's also known for most corrupt politicians and public servants. Boston is terrible but nobody notices because NYC is nearby. NYC is pretty bad but they look good when compared to NJ that's the same but doesn't have the money to cover it up. NJ points at Chicago and say "well at least we can afford to buy the court system so our politicians stay out of jail". I had a family member in state government. Even in some unremarkable department corruption is everywhere. There was a Greek philosopher who said something like "more laws = more corruption". He was on to something. Too bad being in favor of big government is a prerequisite for being "progressive" these days.
  - ambicapter 8y ago
    Well if your platform is "Some Greek guy said something one time that agrees with me, I'm not sure what he said exactly", no wonder not many people are aligning themselves to your cause.
    - dsfyu404ed 8y ago
      "Corruptissima re publica plurimae leges." https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Tacitus https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Tacitus (he was Roman, my bad.) It's not so much who said it as someone said it a long, long time ago. This is the societal equivalent of someone complaining about a bug in the alpha version then the bug winds up getting shipped.

dba7dba 8y ago

Hey in some places, you can work ONE shift and get paid for double pay. https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-drop-one-day-rule-20180218-story.html https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-drop-one-day-rule-... And many use (or abuse) disability program and earn half a million or a million easy. Another very 'progressive' city.

RobLach 8y ago

Isn’t FAANG starting getting there?

thrownaway954 8y ago

that's so relative. It is sooooo much more expensive to live up in New York with the cost of living higher than most states and all the taxes you have to pay... Remember that you have fed and state... also if you work in NYC you have to pay a special tax. Top that off if you live in NJ and work in NYC, you're really paying alot in taxes. So your 150K might be down to 80K after all the taxes and commuter fees (like tolls) you have to pay.

zjaffee 8y ago
Except civic workers should be making middle class wages, especially ones that don't require extensive education. Why should a gilded class of unionized workers get these huge individual wages when the median family income there is still hovering around 55k.
- hondo77 8y ago
  Why shouldn't they?
- ForHackernews 8y ago
  Why should a gilded class of web developers doing jobs that don't require extensive education get these huge individual wages when the median family income there is still hovering around 55k?
  - zjaffee 8y ago
    Because there's demand for developers that supply cannot meet, the demand to take on a civic job in NYC is tremendous, yet we constrain supply of these workers by paying very high wages. These organizations are crippling the cities ability to deliver services, if wages were 2/3s of what they were now, they could hire far more employees and potentially provide better services all around. Additionally, public sector unions are completely different than private sector ones. Concessions should be made to workers at the expense of capital not workers who make less than them.
    - 8y ago

walru 8y ago

If officers who put their life on the line in the most populated/congested city for 150k are overpaid, then I'd like to talk to some software developers in San Francisco.

paulie_a 8y ago
Being a cop in NYC is statistically not very dangerous. Sanitation workers also put their lives on the line. And have more deaths.
- will_brown 8y ago
  Probably more dangerous than the software developers.
  - darpa_escapee 8y ago
    Given that nearly half of work-related casualties police officers experience come down to things like heart attacks on the job, I'd be interested in seeing the statistics. Sitting in front of a computer cannot be good for long-term heart health. Either way, it's more dangerous to be a pizza delivery boy than it is to be a cop.
pessimizer 8y ago
Being a police officer is less dangerous than being a house painter, convenience store clerk, taxi driver, or any of a multitude of jobs in which you are not given a stick and a gun and encouraged to use them freely.
zjaffee 8y ago
Yes, because there are thousands of people who'd happily take their job at 60k and are just as qualified to do so.
- walru 8y ago
  And live in NYC? That's poverty level.