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Apple never did software well. They failed at writing their own operating system (Pink, Taligent) and had to buy NeXT. Now they're pushing Apollo-era Unix techn

Apple never did software well. They failed at writing their own operating system (Pink, Taligent) and had to buy NeXT. Now they're pushing Apollo-era Unix technology to its breaking point, while Microsoft moves ahead.

ThJ 8y ago
The UNIX heritage of macOS may be from the Apollo era, but so is the UNIX heritage of Linux, an operating system that pretty much powers the infrastructure of the Internet. Using macOS isn't so different from using something like Ubuntu Linux. There's a polished user interface and a UNIX-like system underneath that can be accessed with a terminal emulator. And Windows? Well, the guy who originally designed Windows NT was also involved with the Apollo-era VMS operating system, and incorporated a lot of VMS-like stuff in there. The NT kernel still forms the basis of Windows 10. TL;DR: Don't knock old things just because they're old.
- MagicPropmaker 8y ago
  The initial release of VMS was 1977, well after Apollo. And NT's initial release was first release in July 1983, leveraging the hard lessons learned from Unix and VMS.
  - ThJ 8y ago
    Last Apollo mission was in 1972, so only 5 years after. I honestly didn't check the date of the last Apollo mission but I knew it was in the 1970s. Point is, both UNIX and VMS are ancient, and it doesn't matter, which was my entire point...
geezerjay 8y ago
> Now they're pushing Apollo-era Unix technology to its breaking point, while Microsoft moves ahead. If you're referring to the fact that macOS is a certified UNIX, I really hope that Microsoft keeps moving ahead. That means that they are bound to catch up with where Apple in particular and the whole unix-like ecosystem has been for the last couple of decades.
r00fus 8y ago
Jeebus Softies were decrying Linux/Unix in the 90s as being "software from the 70s" well over 2 decades ago. We all see the light now that most server dev is done using Powershell and DOS, right? Oh wait...
- MagicPropmaker 8y ago
  PowerShell doesn't work in DOS. It does work very well on every platform you can think of and is extremely popular because of its modern features. PowerShell on MacOS https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/powershell/scripting/setup/installing-powershell-core-on-macos?view=powershell-6 https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/powershell/scripting/setup/... PowerShell on Linux https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/powershell/scripting/setup/installing-powershell-core-on-linux?view=powershell-6 https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/powershell/scripting/setup/...

ThJ 8y ago

The UNIX heritage of macOS may be from the Apollo era, but so is the UNIX heritage of Linux, an operating system that pretty much powers the infrastructure of the Internet. Using macOS isn't so different from using something like Ubuntu Linux. There's a polished user interface and a UNIX-like system underneath that can be accessed with a terminal emulator. And Windows? Well, the guy who originally designed Windows NT was also involved with the Apollo-era VMS operating system, and incorporated a lot of VMS-like stuff in there. The NT kernel still forms the basis of Windows 10. TL;DR: Don't knock old things just because they're old.

MagicPropmaker 8y ago
The initial release of VMS was 1977, well after Apollo. And NT's initial release was first release in July 1983, leveraging the hard lessons learned from Unix and VMS.
- ThJ 8y ago
  Last Apollo mission was in 1972, so only 5 years after. I honestly didn't check the date of the last Apollo mission but I knew it was in the 1970s. Point is, both UNIX and VMS are ancient, and it doesn't matter, which was my entire point...

geezerjay 8y ago

> Now they're pushing Apollo-era Unix technology to its breaking point, while Microsoft moves ahead. If you're referring to the fact that macOS is a certified UNIX, I really hope that Microsoft keeps moving ahead. That means that they are bound to catch up with where Apple in particular and the whole unix-like ecosystem has been for the last couple of decades.

r00fus 8y ago

Jeebus Softies were decrying Linux/Unix in the 90s as being "software from the 70s" well over 2 decades ago. We all see the light now that most server dev is done using Powershell and DOS, right? Oh wait...

MagicPropmaker 8y ago
PowerShell doesn't work in DOS. It does work very well on every platform you can think of and is extremely popular because of its modern features. PowerShell on MacOS https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/powershell/scripting/setup/installing-powershell-core-on-macos?view=powershell-6 https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/powershell/scripting/setup/... PowerShell on Linux https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/powershell/scripting/setup/installing-powershell-core-on-linux?view=powershell-6 https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/powershell/scripting/setup/...