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> shameless advertising on products where products that contain obscene amounts of corn syrup are advertised as "fat free" And there are "low carb" products th

> shameless advertising on products where products that contain obscene amounts of corn syrup are advertised as "fat free" And there are "low carb" products that contain an obscene amount of fat. If people can't count calories, that's their tough luck. It's not rocket science.

hrktb 8y ago
> It's not rocket science. Yet there’s no reliable research that proves how all of that works in most people nor how the situation can be solved at large scale. I think it’s a way harder problem than flying rockets.
- brandonmenc 8y ago
  Eat fewer and burn more calories. It's a simple recipe that is supported by the bulk of scientific research. Educating people, modifying their behavior, and increasing their willpower and persistence is what's difficult - that's a sociological problem and I agree, a hard one. The actual physical mechanism is simple.
  - hrktb 8y ago
    > The actual physical mechanism is simple Sure. Running faster is also just increasing the power to weight ratio. You are technically right, but nobody doubts the high level physics of it, it’s the biology part that is complex. Even leaving aside socio-economic factors and pure behavior issues, it’s not just a “throw things in and you can predict what goes out”. Knowing how different bodies manage food intake, food processing and retention, then come up with a calory burning budget is damn hard. We’re not pipes, a lot of things happen in the body. I know it’s so much more comfortable to think it’s simple, but I think we need the courage to accept it’s not as straightforward as motivational poster would want us to believe.
nonbel 8y ago
In my experience, high fat isnt an issue since it makes you feel full... as long as you also aren't eating a lot ( > 20-100 g/day) of carbs. The real problem is they started pairing sugar and corn syrup and grains in general with high fat food.
- brandonmenc 8y ago
  > high fat isnt an issue since it makes you feel full High fiber carbs and protein make you feel full too. > The real problem is they started pairing sugar and corn syrup and grains in general with high fat food. aka: calorie dense foods. Also, it's the type of grains they use - low fiber, high GI - not grains in general. Individual bodies' responses to fat/carb ratios, while different, are marginal, and orders of magnitude less important than total calorie consumption - especially when overeating. If you're eating 3,000 more calories a day than me, it really doesn't matter that your body, for example, stores 10% more fat from carbs than mine does.
  - nonbel 8y ago
    You will just have to try a low carb diet for a week or so to experience the reduced "hunger". It is quite amazing to learn that half the feelings of hunger you feel are due to carbohydrate addiction. You may also experience withdrawal symptoms very similar to those of quitting smoking.

hrktb 8y ago

> It's not rocket science. Yet there’s no reliable research that proves how all of that works in most people nor how the situation can be solved at large scale. I think it’s a way harder problem than flying rockets.

brandonmenc 8y ago
Eat fewer and burn more calories. It's a simple recipe that is supported by the bulk of scientific research. Educating people, modifying their behavior, and increasing their willpower and persistence is what's difficult - that's a sociological problem and I agree, a hard one. The actual physical mechanism is simple.
- hrktb 8y ago
  > The actual physical mechanism is simple Sure. Running faster is also just increasing the power to weight ratio. You are technically right, but nobody doubts the high level physics of it, it’s the biology part that is complex. Even leaving aside socio-economic factors and pure behavior issues, it’s not just a “throw things in and you can predict what goes out”. Knowing how different bodies manage food intake, food processing and retention, then come up with a calory burning budget is damn hard. We’re not pipes, a lot of things happen in the body. I know it’s so much more comfortable to think it’s simple, but I think we need the courage to accept it’s not as straightforward as motivational poster would want us to believe.

nonbel 8y ago

In my experience, high fat isnt an issue since it makes you feel full... as long as you also aren't eating a lot ( > 20-100 g/day) of carbs. The real problem is they started pairing sugar and corn syrup and grains in general with high fat food.

brandonmenc 8y ago
> high fat isnt an issue since it makes you feel full High fiber carbs and protein make you feel full too. > The real problem is they started pairing sugar and corn syrup and grains in general with high fat food. aka: calorie dense foods. Also, it's the type of grains they use - low fiber, high GI - not grains in general. Individual bodies' responses to fat/carb ratios, while different, are marginal, and orders of magnitude less important than total calorie consumption - especially when overeating. If you're eating 3,000 more calories a day than me, it really doesn't matter that your body, for example, stores 10% more fat from carbs than mine does.
- nonbel 8y ago
  You will just have to try a low carb diet for a week or so to experience the reduced "hunger". It is quite amazing to learn that half the feelings of hunger you feel are due to carbohydrate addiction. You may also experience withdrawal symptoms very similar to those of quitting smoking.